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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1051017, member: 112"]No, it went from AU to MS details - big difference between that and going from AU to MS. But I do understand your point. Typically the owner would be reimbursed the price difference for the downgrade to the Details holder. Unless - NGC determined that there was no price difference in this case. </p><p><br /></p><p>We always have to remember this - what we think the value of a given coin is doesn't matter. ONLY the TPG gets to determine the value of any coin returned under their grade guarantee - not us. So if, in NGC's opinion, the coin question has the same value whether it is an AU55 regular slab - or if - it's in an MS Details slab, then there would be no reimbursement. That might be what happened here or it might not.</p><p><br /></p><p>What we don't know at this point is if Jello actually got that reimbursement or not because he hasn't said one way or the other.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>Yes, that does happen. But when it does happen it is almost always because the coin should not have been submitted to NCS for conservation to begin with.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's the hard part - determining whether or not your coin should even be submitted to NCS. They can't help or improve all coins, only some of them. And it's up to the owner of the coin to make that determination. And if the owner makes a mistake and submits a coin that can't be helped then the owner has to accept responsibility for that.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's kind of like submitting a problem coin for grading in the old days. You submitted a problem coin and got the coin back in a body-bag. Then the owner blamed the TPG for not grading the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>But the thing is, the TPG did not make a mistake. The coin owner made the mistake, he never should have submitted the coin to begin with. But because he lacked the knowledge and experience to recognize that his coin was a problem coin he went ahead and submitted it anyway. Then he blamed the TPG for something that was his own fault.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I know somebody is going to say - well if they (NCS) can't help the coin then they shouldn't even try. So it's NCS's fault !</p><p><br /></p><p>But it isn't. The reason it isn't is because you can't always tell just by looking at a coin if you can help it or not. Sometimes you have to try to help it to find out. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now somebody is going to say - well if they can't help the coin then they shouldn't charge you. </p><p><br /></p><p>My answer to that is this. If you go to a doctor with cancer and he can't cure you - does the doctor not send you a bill ? Do you get his service for free ? No, you don't. You pay the bill anyway. Yeah, that's kind of an extreme example but it's the same kind of thing. The company performed a service and just because you aren't happy with the outcome that doesn't mean you get it for free.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1051017, member: 112"]No, it went from AU to MS details - big difference between that and going from AU to MS. But I do understand your point. Typically the owner would be reimbursed the price difference for the downgrade to the Details holder. Unless - NGC determined that there was no price difference in this case. We always have to remember this - what we think the value of a given coin is doesn't matter. ONLY the TPG gets to determine the value of any coin returned under their grade guarantee - not us. So if, in NGC's opinion, the coin question has the same value whether it is an AU55 regular slab - or if - it's in an MS Details slab, then there would be no reimbursement. That might be what happened here or it might not. What we don't know at this point is if Jello actually got that reimbursement or not because he hasn't said one way or the other. Yes, that does happen. But when it does happen it is almost always because the coin should not have been submitted to NCS for conservation to begin with. That's the hard part - determining whether or not your coin should even be submitted to NCS. They can't help or improve all coins, only some of them. And it's up to the owner of the coin to make that determination. And if the owner makes a mistake and submits a coin that can't be helped then the owner has to accept responsibility for that. It's kind of like submitting a problem coin for grading in the old days. You submitted a problem coin and got the coin back in a body-bag. Then the owner blamed the TPG for not grading the coin. But the thing is, the TPG did not make a mistake. The coin owner made the mistake, he never should have submitted the coin to begin with. But because he lacked the knowledge and experience to recognize that his coin was a problem coin he went ahead and submitted it anyway. Then he blamed the TPG for something that was his own fault. Now I know somebody is going to say - well if they (NCS) can't help the coin then they shouldn't even try. So it's NCS's fault ! But it isn't. The reason it isn't is because you can't always tell just by looking at a coin if you can help it or not. Sometimes you have to try to help it to find out. Now somebody is going to say - well if they can't help the coin then they shouldn't charge you. My answer to that is this. If you go to a doctor with cancer and he can't cure you - does the doctor not send you a bill ? Do you get his service for free ? No, you don't. You pay the bill anyway. Yeah, that's kind of an extreme example but it's the same kind of thing. The company performed a service and just because you aren't happy with the outcome that doesn't mean you get it for free.[/QUOTE]
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