NCS conservation of the month

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  1. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Conserve: To prevent injury, waste, decay or loss

    ( Dictionary.com )
     
    Arizona Jack, Jan 27, 2008
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  3. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    What was your specialty ;)
     
    spock1k, Jan 27, 2008
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  4. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    There was a post which was removed, but had some intriguing information about what exactly PVC Damage is and looks like and according to the (very informed) poster. PVC damage is one thing and this ain't it...

    Take Care
    Ben
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  5. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    Don't you think NCS would know, though? This was PVC...the stuff just wasn't on the coin long enough to damage it.
     
    DJCoinz, Jan 27, 2008
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  6. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Actually, based on the ("after") images, my guess is that the coin is one of those which displays a semi-prooflike appearance and is quite lustrous in-hand.
     
    Mark Feld, Jan 27, 2008
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  7. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    DJ, some aspects of successful business practices apply in many different situations when it comes to marketing and advertisement. Perception is everything and honesty is relative... ;)

    Take Care
    Ben
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I would agree with you in many cases. But it seems that you are saying that NCS purposely lied about this coin, that this was not PVC contamination at all - that it was something else. But that they are lying just to promote their company. Do I understand your comments correctly ?
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 27, 2008
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  9. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I honestly cant tell...to be honest I had a coin with PVC damage and it didnt look like this, a bit different color, very spotty, looked like slime mold. This looks like someone painted the coin...but I am not saying it isnt PVC damage though...either way, it does look very nice after.
     
    Drusus, Jan 27, 2008
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not uncommon Drusus. PVC contamination can look many different ways, it can be green, it can be brown, it can be black. And it can be in just a few spots or it can completely cover the coin. There are as amny possible variations as to how it can look as there are coins.

    When I first looked at the coin in this thread the very first thing that popped into my head was PVC. NCS obviously thought so too. And since they had the coin in hand and all we have is pictures, I'm inclined to believe they were correct. I can also see no possible benefit for them to lie and say it was PVC when it was something else. Especially since the process they use does not remove toning from a coin unless it is the black corrosive type. They go out of their way to retain toning and only remove contaminants.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 27, 2008
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  11. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Doug, it's just an opinion. If you don't like it then boot me...
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  12. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    well, whatever they did to that coin...they did a great job with the amount they were having to remove and it appears to have left a coin that doesnt seem very worse off for the experience for such a large amount. I assume they didnt just use acetone like I did? :)
     
    Drusus, Jan 27, 2008
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Whether I like it or not doesn't matter Bone. You're entitled to your opinion just like anybody else. I merely wanted to clarify and make sure that I understood your comments correctly.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 27, 2008
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  14. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    YES, I think NCS is not being fully truthful here. I have coins with PVC damage, seen coins with PVC Damage, and have googled PVC Damage -- NONE of them look like that (contrast jacked) Half Dollar that was linked in the OP.

    I'm sorry those are my opinions. And your comments were rude as heck earlier in this thread. Very rude...

    Forgot to add. I think the coin will eventually spot-up too, just my opinion.

    Take Care
    Ben
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As I said Bone, you are entitled to your opinions.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 27, 2008
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  16. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    We don't know how the true appearance of the coin differed from its image. And you can obviously have and share your opinion that the coin "will eventually spot-up too", but I see no actual basis for that. NCS is quite expert at using neutralizers and there is nothing about that particular coin to suggest it will do what you predict.
     
    Mark Feld, Jan 27, 2008
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  17. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    thats it no fight?
     
    spock1k, Jan 27, 2008
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  18. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Mark, the funny thing is we'll never know for sure even if we were to bet. :) Here is my earlier post addressing the milk-spot issue and the Proof-Like Appearance afterwards. Verbatim...

    Take Care
    Ben
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  19. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Comparing a classic silver commemorative isue (with no history of milk spots) to modern commemoratives or ASE's with a history of milk spots is an apples to oranges analogy. One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other.
     
    Mark Feld, Jan 27, 2008
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  20. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Relax, relax Mark... It's just an opinion. If it spots up or not; no big deal, I just think it will. Why, you ask? Well look at that little studied NGC Ring. I suspect you'll require a link, so...

    BTW, the Silver Dollars in question have been Cracked Out some time ago.
    http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=11558
     
    Bonedigger, Jan 27, 2008
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  21. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    There's nothing wrong with opinions, it's just that they're more meaningful if they're based on facts. The subject matter in the link you provided (for which I do thank you) has nothing to do with milk spots appearing on a coin (the type of which doesn't usually exhibit them), when they weren't there in the first place.
     
    Mark Feld, Jan 27, 2008
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