Natural vs. artificial toning

Ok. But how could I prove there was a policy change unless I submitted thousands of coins per month? I stated, "for me" or "in my experience" when I first posted.... I even said that maybe it was the conspiracy theorist in me!

Have you had a different experience?

 

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I don't submit to PCGS, only NGC and I only submit a handful of coins per year. It would be impossible for me to make any determination on this subject based on my own experience.

 

No it’s been since August

 

The one thing someone could do if they were really curious if there appeared to be a policy change is go through the orders on the shared orders page and see if the majority of color is getting hit or if its just a coin by coin basis

 

That's what I tell some people when they ask me NT/AT. "The pattern looks odd but can be believable, but the color progression is correct. It may be induced, but it is correct nonetheless."

 

A friend at a coin club opened up a mint-sealed commemorative set and found that the silver dollar had extremely vibrant toning because the air-tight holder was not closed and the sulfur-rich packaging caused the toning. I believed him, and the toning patterns back up his story (the edge clearly showed where the gap in the air-tight began), but the toning seemed too vibrant to be natural. He has not sent it in for grading yet, so I don't know if it got nuked.

 

Man, why don't you two get a room? @C-B-D, those are lovely coins. There's nothing differentiating them but a fickle preference neither you, @Lehigh96, nor anybody can define. Just because the TPGs are playing head games, does that mean you have to, too? But you want to play in their plastic, translated, their "market," you play by their preferences, however fickle.

Now go have a pickle.

 

Eddie, your disdain for the TPGs is well documented, as is your belief that QT and AT designations are nothing more than marketing gimmicks. That said, if you don't see a problem with a coin that has clear album target toning on the obverse with a completely untoned reverse, then perhaps you can explain how that could happen.

I have only one theory to explain the toning pattern on that Peace Dollar, but I would like to hear your explanation first.

 

I have seen coins develop album toning on one side but not the other. Rarely have I seen album toning that is completely symmertric on both sides. I'm talking about coins that were white when I put them in the album and over a few decades, they developed the toning.

 

You know, now that I think of it, you're well-documented on some things, yourself. Like, for instance, take this double-talk. If you know anything, you know I do not differentiate toning on those capricious standards, but collect what I like. Ergo, this explanation you're seeking would appear to be irrelevant--excepting, of course, to someone like you, who does differentiate on those capricious standards.

 

We are not owners of coins, merely custodians. At some point, the coins will go to someone else. In most cases, people sell their coins, and when they do, the desires of the potential buyers (originality) are no longer capricious standards, they are buyer demands. The attempt to meet those demands is prudent and logical, whereas your flippant dismissal strikes me as reckless and foolish.

Determining the authenticity of toning is not absolute, it falls on a sliding scale. Some coins are so badly AT that we can say with near certainty that the toning is not original. Other coins bear so many indicators of NT that we can safely assume the originality of the coin. In your world, you place all coins in the middle where it is impossible to discern originality, because you simply don't care. I have news for you Eddie, the world doesn't revolve around you.