Natural or man made?

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  1. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    "Market acceptable" vs. "Not market acceptable". The result matters and now how it came to be.
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    My answer - 40 years makes it NT. Don't ask where the dividing line is. But if it involves intentionally doing something to a coin that normally one would not do while trying to preserve a coin, then it's AT. And if I believe it was accelerated, I ain't buying it, period. I frankly don't care what a TPGS says. I trust me and MY eye more than I trust ANY of them. How can I say that? Easy. I spend 99% of my coin time observing and studying, and only 1% acquiring stuff. To me, I'm not into "he who dies with the most cool coins wins". Most assuredly NOT a registry type of collector.
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Without reading any further.........looks cooked.
     
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  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Heck.......I just do that to keep track of things...........:)
     
  6. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    I like it looks good.
     
  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Me too. I use NGC's collector' s database without ever establishing any sets. Sets are an option I choose not to use. Can you tell that I'm an extremely active trend non-follower? It's what makes me, me. I may be the country's first counter-counter-counter-counter culturalist.
     
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  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Kurt? You're a 'hoot'. And a blessing........:)
     
  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yeah, I'm most certain I'm getting closest to ultimate truth when I observe people accidentally doing the right thing with the worst possible motivations. That is pretty much all that I've decided the modal homo sapiens is capable of.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Quite obvious you're in politics......... devil.gif
     
  11. Browns Fan

    Browns Fan Active Member

    I use the PCGS inventory and a dozen or so sets in the hope that some idea will click. So far, I'm just a "pretty coin" collector.
     
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  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    You owe it to yourselves to go over to Angel Dee's website and look at them. The whole collection is imaged, they're all in PCGS plastic, and there is some simply outstanding color in the group.
     
  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It looks natural to me, but I've been duped before.
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I learnt this hypothesis by watching "up close and personal" the work of the Pennsylvania General Assembly. :confused: 253 guys and ladies who are utterly convinced all virtue relies on their personal ability to retain their seats. Wow.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That little short sentence is the whole issue in a nutshell. So what's answer ? Well, that depends on who you ask.

    And when you do, just make sure that you always remember that if the person you are asking has a dog in the fight, welllllllll - his answer might tend to lean one way more than another ;)

    Now if you ask me - and no I don't have any dog in the fight because I don't buy coins, I don't sell coins, and I don't even collect coins - the one and only valid answer there is and ever can be is expressed in a single word - intent.
     
  16. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    A skeptic would say it is highly unlikely to get that perfect rainbow toning naturally. It is possible, but easier to attain that pattern and those colors after experimentation. It's just too nice and looks AT to me.
     
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  17. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I am in the nt camp - I have seen a few higher grade buffalo nickels with some nice color just floating in the luster.
     
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Okay, here's one "plausible" history that I can imagine for the 1915-D nickel at the top of the thread, especially given that when you initially look at it, it could be mistaken for a matte proof, until you see the mintmark.

    I can imagine a serious collector of almost a century ago who was a collector of then-current matte proofs who stashed away in one envelope both the original 1915 matte proof, with its tissue paper, and the best 1915-D he could get his hands on at the time. Remind me, were there S's in 1915, too? If so, there's likely a bangin' rainbow 1915-S out there somewhere too.

    Now, fast forward to a more recent time, and someone discovers this dead guy's collection in the family safe and takes them to a numismatist to see if they're worth anything. He lies to the family, gives them a pittance for them, sends them to PCGS for slabbing, and the rest is history. Voila!

    Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. (Especially the part about a dealer "stealing" them from an unwary family.)
     
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  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    There is no such thing as AT/NT, as you said....a coin is either market acceptable or not.

    These debates/discussions will NEVER end!
     
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  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yes, ... and I am not personally bound to agree with the people currently making those acceptability rulings; I get to make up my own. By the way, all of a sudden we have "QT" - questionable.
     
  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am in the camp that it is toned, and very nicely! The only thing that seperares this one from a toned modern pulled from a set is 101 years. Yes, this can lead to scepticism, I would have it in my collection.
    Nice Buffaloe!
     
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