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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 1905937, member: 26302&quot;]It was back before toning had a premium. It was just to cover the cleaning and make it more pleasing. The man who showed me did it to show me, not to do it for a profit. He is deceased, (but I do believe he used to do it to collector coins). Anyone who has read my post over 4 years here might know his name, but I will not besmirch the name of a dead man, nor any other older dealers whom I used to discuss this topic with at coin shows when business was slow. It was no big secret, especially when there was no such thing as a toning premium.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, I used to buy lots of old collections, lots and lots. I saw how they were stored, I saw what they looked like when they came out of that storage, and then &quot;played around&quot; replicating the same thing. This is why I know how an original silver coin is very much different reactively than a circulated or overdipped coin. This is why I can recognize envelope toning, folder toning, zapped coins, chemically applied coins, etc. Its not rocket science, yet neither is it something I will ever teach anyone. I learned over a decade because of my own curiousity. I still to this day seek out untouched collections because I wish to see how they were stored and what the coins look like. I would buy old collections of coins simply for the priviliege of studying their storage conditions. I also got pretty good at dipping coins, because many of the coins in these collections were in bad shape, (matte black), and needed help if they were to be saved. For some reason it simply fascinates me, the coin chemistry and reaction. </p><p><br /></p><p>I will say I personally know of no one who does this to coins today. Part of this is because I haven&#039;t been around US coins for well over a decade, part is because all of the men I talked to this about are dead, but if anyone assumes this is impossible to do, impossible to fool a TPG, I would consider that statement to be foolish. I am sure the TPG can catch the chemical appliers and zappers, but other ways? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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