National Collectors Mint

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by CoinBoyBryan, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    And his design (Carr's WTC dollar) was slammed by the FTC and U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit as violating the Hobby Protection Act. NCM also did sketchy marketing crap after Carr severed the business relationship (or so I have been told).

    To be clear, Carr was not a party to the lawsuit(s) that arose from it. The court opinion did very clearly, however, address the design of the piece (and Carr designed it).
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Are these appropriately marked "COPY?" I like to be consistent in my critiques.

    On another note, collect these only if it makes you. Make sure you understand, however, that the items have no numismatic value and likely never will.
     
  4. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    If anyone does care, the word "COPY" appears on the eagle. I do not think it is conspicuous. What do you all think?

    http://ncmint.com/the-2-5-million-dollar-morgan-tribute-proof-set/


    Here are the relevant marking requirements per the HPA:

    §304.6 Marking requirements for imitation numismatic items.
    (a) An imitation numismatic item which is manufactured in the United States, or imported into the United States for introduction into or distribution in commerce, shall be plainly and permanently marked “COPY”.

    (b) The word “COPY” shall be marked upon the item legibly, conspicuously, and nondeceptively, and in accordance with the further requirements of these regulations.

    (1) The word “COPY” shall appear in capital letters, in the English language.

    (2) The word “COPY” shall be marked on either the obverse or the reverse surface of the item. It shall not be marked on the edge of the item.

    (3) An imitation numismatic item of incusable material shall be incused with the word “COPY” in sans-serif letters having a vertical dimension of not less than two millimeters (2.0 mm) or not less than one-sixth of the diameter of the reproduction, and a minimum depth of three-tenths of one millimeter (0.3 mm) or to one-half ( 1⁄2 ) the thickness of the reproduction, whichever is the lesser. The minimum total horizontal dimension of the word “COPY” shall be six millimeters (6.0 mm) or not less than one-half of the diameter of the reproduction.

    (4) An imitation numismatic item composed of nonincusable material shall be imprinted with the word “COPY” in sans-serif letters having a vertical dimension of not less than two millimeters (2.0 mm) or not less than one-sixth of the diameter of the reproduction. The minimum total horizontal dimension of the word “COPY” shall be six millimeters (6.0 mm) or not less than one-half of the diameter of the reproduction.

    [40 FR 5496, Feb. 6, 1975, as amended at 53 FR 38942, Oct. 4, 1988]
     
  5. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Hey @Santinidollar: If you don't mind me asking, what do you really think about National Collectors Mint? ;)
     
    mikenoodle and Santinidollar like this.
  6. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    C'mon folks, you're being completely unreasonable. It comes with a classic cherry finish wood collector’s case to house and protect your set, a $49.95 value, FREE! :banghead:
     
    Santinidollar likes this.
  7. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    About as legal tender as a Ron Paul dollar.
     
    Coinchemistry 2012 likes this.
  8. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    The lawsuit claimed that the use of the national motto "In God We Trust" on the "Freedom Tower Silver Dollar" constituted a violation of the HPA. This was quite a stretch and I don't think that court's ruling would have stood up in that regard under challenge. I think it highly doubtful that the intent of Congress in enacting the various laws was to ban the use of "In God We Trust" on privately-minted pieces.
    Personally, I don't think that motto is really necessary on coins. But imagine the furor that would arise if, hypothetically, the FTC were to tell a company that they had to remove "In God We Trust" from their tokens.

    PS:
    I did the original concept graphic illustration for the "Freedom Tower Silver Dollar". I did not sculpt, engrave, mint, or market it. National Collectors Mint wanted "In God We Trust" on the Freedom Tower coins. I did not.
     
    Chiefbullsit likes this.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page