Name this Roman Ruler

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 4to2centBC, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    I have this coin. It is without any attribution and I can't read the legend. I'm sure this is a slam dunk for many here, so I capitulate and ask for your help in identifying this coin. Thanks

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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The "other" Trajan: Decius. :)
     
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  4. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    really? I thought I saw decius, but I also saw a lot of other things also. Thanks
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    For sure Trajan Decius.
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    IMP TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG is the obverse legend.
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Uberitas avg is the reverse legend.
     
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  8. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Looks about right to me.
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I wanted to comment further on this coin but didn't have the time earlier. The student of Roman mythology can ask the question, "Who is Uberitas, and where did she come from?"

    The OP coin has numismatic significance because Uberitas first appears on the antoniniani of Trajan Decius. She hangs around on the coinage of the Third Century, primarily the issues of Gallienus, Claudius Gothicus, Postumus, et al. (If you find a rare issue of Trebonianus Gallus with Uberitas at a reasonable price, buy it!) Then she altogether disappears by the tenure of Aurelian.

    Now it's no big deal that a new god appears in the kaleidoscope of the Roman pantheon, but my question is: why exactly did the Romans need a new goddess of wealth and prosperity? Moneta was still hanging around (Hey - I'm standing right here!), as was Abuntantia and others. So where did Uberitas come from and why? Enquiring minds need to know. :)
     
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  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Maybe it has some type of other meaning, maybe referring to the magnitude of plenty? For example some of us worship Collectia but some of us worship Horedika. Some of us have Moneta and some of us have Uberitas Moneta.
     
  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    We have Abuntantia but we have Indulgencia.
     
  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes of course, there had to be some aspect to Uberitas that other abundance gods were missing, at least to some of the population. I just don't know what that is, and I can't seem to find any information on Uberitas other than general descriptions.
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    IMP C M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG is the obverse legend.
    Caesar Messius Quintus
     
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  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Uberitas is richness in a fruitfulness/fertility sense and the purse she holds is made from an udder. You will find those who dispute this but ask them to explain the shape of the money bag on my Gallienus and Decius. I would not have shown the Gallus but JA wanted to see it.

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    As I recall some bags held by Hermes/Mercury have the protrusions also.
     
  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes, many of them do look exactly like Hermes' money bag, others have the simple triangular shape.
     
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