Name that burr

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by usmc60, Nov 14, 2017.

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  1. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Let's keep moving on. The opinion expressed here is my own.
    Continuing with photo E.
    it is my opinion that photo E is a rim burr. Classification small rim cud.
    USMC60 burr-E-1 (2)-1.jpg
     
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  3. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Moving on let's go to the one that I forgot to put up with the others.
    Photo F, again let me say that it is my opinion and my opinion only.

    Photo F is a rim burr. Now the classification of this rim burr, haven't quite figured that one out yet.
    But if you notice in the photo, I believe the heaviest nickel buildup on the rim is from that gully in the rim itself.
    You know being dyslexic is a bummer. I faintly remember reading about some kind a shift that could possibly cause that gully.

    So for now I'm going to stick with just rim burr, and tell I find out how this occurred.

    Though I'm known for disagreeing because I may have a different opinion.
    I think our resident experts, know the difference when someone disagrees with them.
    Then when someone calls them wrong.

    I can only hope that some of our experts will voice their opinions.
    USMC60
     
  4. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    I HATE rim burrs, I stay away from them as I think that most are unattractive. I do collect errors but really don’t like mundane commons such as these. I want to look at an error coin that has some interest. It’s the same as a double rimmed cent. Eh... but my point here is not everybody like the same thing, not every body agrees. No one here is the expert, even the experts! Please be nice to each other or you won’t learn anything!
     
  5. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Let me say welcome aboard. Everyone has a choice to like what they want to like.
    Let's take photo F up there for example, though it may not look like nothing.
    It is still a small rim burr cud, or just rim cud.
    Since the size of it would probably not bring too high of a premium.
    Factor classification of a cud puts more value to the coin.

    As you can see rim burrs have quite a few classifications.
    This is basically what I'm trying to accomplish with this thread
    is to put some kind of order when it comes to rim burrs.

    You'll see as this thread progresses some rim burrs with their classification can increase the value of that particular coin.

    Let me just say this is my opinion you judge for yourself
    USMC60
     
  6. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    Cool Marine I think its great you enjoy them. I do enjoy a good die crack with rim cud though!
    What I was trying to do with my statement was make everyone play nicely together. You my block headed Marine are just that a Marine you take no crap, you have no feelings to hurt, and you tell it as it appears. Other tend to be a little soft shelled and easily dented
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Welcome to the fun. Hope you decide to hang out here.
     
  8. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Now here's one of my favorites. Let me start by saying the opinions expressed here are of my own. Now photo G this also is a rim burr.
    Now the classification of this particular rim burr, basically has two classifications.

    First classification of this rim burr is DDR second classification is RIM CUD. Now this is a documented Homestead quarter.
    Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties
    doubleddie.com/
    2https://www.cointalk.com/threads/rim-cud-and-ddr.282439/015-P 25¢ NE WDDR-156
    Now I have asked another member, who supposedly goes through 10,000 quarters a week, if he has come across another example like this one.
    I know if I have one there should be others out there.
    I'm just trying to find out their rarity of this particular Homestead quarter.

    But is also a nice example of a rim burr and the classifications of such a rim burr.
    USMC60
     
  9. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    It is time to add another one.
    Let's call this one photo I.
    First let me say my opinions are my own and only mine.


    Photo I is a rim burr, that is also concealing a cud.
    As I have mentioned previously rim burrs can conceal cuds.

    You should find this one interesting, notice how the card can be seen to the far left. Under the left over material from the reeding process.
    Also pay attention to the right of it you will see where the die has fractured but is still intact.
    USMC60 burr-19 (2).jpg burr-19 (3)-1.jpg
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Sorry. The images are not helping you tell what you are seeing.
     
  11. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Well why don't you help me out there buddy.
    Please explain exactly what you mean.
    I could not show it any plainer than the bottom Zeke photo, actually showing you what had occurred.
    When I look at this photo it's exactly what I see in his pointed out in the red arrow.

    You are disagreeing with my presentation so please enlighten me on What you see.
    So I can possibly make changes to, accommodate you and maybe other members, to understand my threads a little more.
     
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Whatever Zeke is, it's not working. They are out of focus and enlarged to the point that folks don't know what you are trying to show. If you are using some type of filters, they are not helping. You have the coin in hand. We don't and can't see it.
    That's about as nice as I can say it. Back off the magnification and correct the white balance. If you can do this, more will reply to your threads.
     
  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Larry this is what Zeke is
    zeke filter
    definition
    zero electron kinetic energy
    I hope that answers that question. Now as far as the other question goes I guess it's a matter of preference when it comes to photos.
    Basically Larry if it wasn't for this photo that I'm showing in zeke, I would have never noticed a small cud. I Would have wrote this particular one off as a rim burr with a cracked die on the rim.
    I know there's a few members that do not like close-ups.
    Unfortunately these were archive photos in my collection, and the coins are in my collection somewhere.
    And frankly is not worth the time to try and find these coins and take photos.
    And Larry I also see it another way to. There are a few members that look at it and see what I see and understand what the coin is showing.
    Larry most the time on my presentations I will show you a back up view for those of you who wish to stand on the sidewalk and look at the house.
    and a close-up on the porch view for those who would like a closer look like I prefer.

    But with some of these photos I don't have the coin in hand to give you that sidewalk perspective.
    Another thing Larry those photos were in my learning lighting phase of photo taking. You learn by your mistakes. And I'm still learning to day and still having a lot of the same problems.
     
  14. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Larry I was going to wait on this one but since you are complaining about the close-ups.
    Here's one I'd like your opinion of.
    I would believe this would be an appropriate distance.
    I'm very interested in what your opinion would be. 2000-D-1.jpg USMC60
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    No. Close up images are great. They just need to be in focus and have the lighting and white balance, correct. Without that your message is lost.
     
  16. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Larry is there some kind of a problem this is the second quarter I've asked your opinion on and you have failed to give it what's up buddy
     
  17. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Nothing to say from that image.
     
  18. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Why am I not surprised. It seems Larry you do have opinions and you do espressos Those constructive opinions towards me.
    But when I asked for your opinion not just on this coin above.
    But the other six coins that I've asked your opinion on .
    You have no opinion.
    What's up with that Larry. Your opinions only go one way.:confused:
     
  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I try not to post an opinion unless I feel solid with it. I can't get there from the images. Macro imaging is not easy, I understand that. After 40 years of imaging coins, I still have problems with some coins when it comes to macro work.
     
  20. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Larry checked out quite a few your threads, I see that you are really a full photo kind of a guy.
    I see you have some of the same lighting problems that I have.
    I understand your appreciation of a full photo.

    Same here your the kinda individual likes to stand back and not really get into the nitty-gritty.
    But Larry sometimes you need to get down close and dirty and really get into the error.
    And Larry sometimes to find out what really happens you need to really get a close look to tell you the story. When you stand back and look you really don't get the whole story you get a partial story.

    Larry I understand when someone doesn't have enough confidence in yourself and abilities not to express an opinion.
    It seems you have enough confidence in yourself to give out constructive criticism at least on how I present coins.
    And use a lame excuse like my photos I don't understand them so I will not make a comment on them Larry that's lame seven photos no comment.

    And Larry after going through quite a few of your threads. It seems you do have a lot of opinions about a lot of things but it when it comes to looking at a actual rim burr surprisingly you shut up.
    But on your thread you seem to be very Outspoken, and when it comes to negative constructive criticism you are some very outspoken.

    You know Larry I showed this last photo up there that I asked your opinion on, to several people that really are not into collecting and do not have the slightest idea what an error is or is not.
    Believe it or not they had an opinion on the photo and thought the photo was quite well taken.
    And I received various off-the-wall opinions. It seems these people had no problem expressing an opinion about something they know nothing about.
    That's why your excuse does not go over too well.

    Larry you have been looking at error coins for quite a while from what I can tell.
    And you seem not to have any problems of voicing your opinion on other threads.

    So Larry if you cannot give an opinion on a coin that I am presenting at least don't give a lame excuse.
    I prefer you basically don't give any opinions negative or positive.
    Basically if you can't man and tell me what a photo of the coin that I'm showing looks like to you.
    Then I'll have to take your other opinions the same way as no opinion.

    Larry if you don't understand something all you'd have to do is ask.

    You can please some people some of the time, but not all the time.
    You know I think it's unfortunate that you cannot look at a photo of mine.
    And just because it actually shows you what's going on.
    I can see that you may not understand it that's acceptable not everyone sees things the same way. But for myself and evidently others my photos show what other photos do not show. And as far is the ZEKE photos are concerned, I look at it this way it's like reading an x-ray.
    Your doctor goes to school for many years to learn how to read an x-ray, he does not just pick one up and know how to read it.
    He has to learn how to read that x-ray and what to look for.

    I believe this filter is a form of coin x-ray, it shows you things that you cannot visually see with your eye without the filter. And the more you study these filtered photos the more you will learn.
    USMC60
     
  21. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    PS.
    The photo above Larry, is a simple lamination problem.
    If you look at the photo you can see where the nickel is separating from the copper core.
     
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