NAC auction: tooled thurium distater

here are some more bad attributed fakes sold by CNG

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=373972

The supposed Christodoulos is an ordinary BM electrotype

This coin is not from Christodoulos, it can not be!
It is an electrotype of the authentic specimen in British Museum which, entered museum collection before Christodoulos was born "Acquisition date1824 ".

1. Not same dies as Christodoulos 480, added picture of plate with Christodoulos 480

http://snible.org/coins/christodoulos/o.html

2. Identical authentic mother (same centering, wear, flan shape, scratch, nick etc.) in Brithish Museum there listed as authentic

https://www.britishmuseum.org/resea...x?assetId=379334001&objectId=1257936&partId=1

And identical BM electrotype but this time by RR was sold by same auction house as Rober Ready electrotype
CNG Auction 229, Lot: 532
BRITISH MUSEUM. Electrotype. Copying Rhodos, Rhodes. AR Tetradrachm (24mm, 13.89 g, 12h). Head of Helios facing slightly right / Rose, bud to right; to left, sphinx seated left. Good VF. Edge stamped RR (for Robert Ready, electrotypist at the British Museum).

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=160379


Electronic Auction 435 Lot: 633

Dies by Constantine Christodoulos, circa 1900-1914. Head of Helios facing slightly right / Rose in profile, with bud to right; to left, sphinx seated left; all within incuse square. Svoronos, Christodoulos 480.
https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=373972

 

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British Museum NAXOS electrotype sold wrongly as Becker, picture 1

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=359330

Authentic mother in British Museum in London, identical dies, flan shape, centering, wear etc.


https://www.britishmuseum.org/resea...x?assetId=379318001&objectId=1294613&partId=1

And the other identical Gavlano in Yale university and the made same mistake to describe as Becker although they have a real Becker

Picture 4

https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/173350

And here is a real Becker hill 21 , look for example for hair of Sileno´s, which is very different

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=373960


And Yale university real Becker

https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/171647

Here another one of this BM electrotypes

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6319965

here I posted pictures

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-fakes-can-be-very-expensive.321832/page-3#post-3665224

 

More Cigoi is not a cigoi forgery

The supposed die match to Brunetti, Cigoi 105 is not true

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=359373

I added picture of Cigoi forgery 105 reverse is different

 

"Ashmolean Museum copy (marked A on edge)"

is a Slavey forgery


https://www.cngcoins.com/Lot.aspx?L..._TYPE_ID=2&VIEW_TYPE=0&MAX_COUNT=10000&PAGE=1

http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=P675OLSGndE=

 

Another one Becker forgery which was a Bulgarian forgery in fact, sadly they haveremoved pictures, but it was a die match to the forgerynetwork piece

https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-AYL94/withdrawn

http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=v4l8ki9wX40=

 

And another wrongly attributed fake but now by Roma numismatics, the coin is very different to the example 29 in Kinns´ book "Kinns 29".
The description of the fake is copied from Kinns´ book.

They style itself would fit to Caprara but it is from compeltely different style then the supposed Caprara fakes in Kinns´ book. So either it is an unpublished Caprara forgery and maybe the specimens in Kinns´ book are old forgery but not from Carara and the one from Roma is the only real Caprara forgery of this type known, but then it must be mentioned. And the other option is that it is not a Caprara forgery.

https://www.romanumismatics.com/a0477-lot-42-sicily-akragas-æ-hemilitron-?arr=0&auction_id=0&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=caprara&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=1&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year=

 

Sorry, for off topic posts but so many fakes are wrongly attributed that I thought it must be mentioned and other fake collectores should be warned.

 

Apart from your first reply which contains information about Thurium fakes, could you please delete/move the rest of your posts to a new thread of your own?

The point of the thread was not to discuss if the copy sold as a copy in CNG was made by Festa or somebody else. And certainly not to comment about "wrong" attributions made by CNG for other coins that are not relevant to this one. Mind you, I am not trying to defend CNG; I criticised them in other threads and I will keep on criticizing any auctioneer or dealer who does something which I do not consider appropriate. I just happened to give a photo for comparison between the lips of Athena in the original vs. the fake where they look like a bird's beak.

 

You called the fake "festa" fake!
And it is most likely not a festa fake!
If you pretend something that is not true you have to expect to be corrected!
That you do not check if such information is correct abd rely on others does not speak for you.

You wrote

"And by the way, for everyone: notice how nicely executed are Athena's lips in the original NAC coin compared to the festa fake I mentioned in another thread, see below."

 

I said keep your post on thurium and delete the subsequent irrelevant ones, which part of my message you didn't understand? Either delete them or I report them.

 

"I said keep your post on thurium and delete the subsequent irrelevant ones, which part of my message you didn't understand? Either delete them or I report them."

It is impossible to delete posts here except you are Admin, you should know that! The other posts were necessary to show that CNG is not reliable if it comes to attribution of fakes and you seem to be relying to the CNG attribution without having the CNG attribution verified. I am convinced that the attibution to Festa is not correct, because the coin is not in bulletin as CNG pretended and CNG has wrongly attributed more than enough fakes in the past, that it makes sense to verify their attribution if it comes to fake. But if your post with the not "festa" fake (which was already off topic) be removed from this thread of course all related posts including mine could be removed. And then all posts will be about the authentic but possibly a little bit smoothed stater.

 

Sir, you can always delete the contents of a message and simply leave it as a ".". That is what we do here when we wish to retract a message.

I thought your posts were fantastic. I do not collect fakes, Beckers, etc. but know that many members here do. I think a thread concerning attribution of fakes, and any concerns you have with some attributions, would be a FANTASTIC thread. I would highly encourage you to start one sir. I for one would make it a point to follow it.

 

Lolli, posted: "It is impossible to delete posts here except you are Admin, you should know that!"

If you catch a post in time (while the "EDIT" option still shows) you can remove the post and leave a blank post or "Self Edit."

As for the rest of your info, I hope you start a new thread and continue to show members how dangerous it is to collect expensive ancients. Trust, but verify for yourself. It's a good way to collect coins - ESPECIALLY ancients. If we were not in the Internet age, what you and others are doing to detect fakes and repairs would be virtually impossible!