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<p>[QUOTE="Broucheion, post: 3723797, member: 104887"]<p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]998346[/ATTACH]</p> <p style="text-align: center">Nabatean Kingdom [Undertype: Ptolemy III Euergetes (246-222 BCE)]</p> <p style="text-align: center">16x17 mm 3.17 g</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: left">OBV: Athena - UNDERTYPE: Zeus-Ammon head, facing right and wearing diadem. Centration depression. Dotted border.</p> <p style="text-align: left">REV: Nike - UNDERTYPE: Εagle on thunderbolt facing left, wings closed. Legend to left: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ; to right: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ. Centration depression. Dotted border.</p> <p style="text-align: left">LORBER: CPE-B0442 [under type]</p> <p style="text-align: left">Sv-0843 [under type]</p> <p style="text-align: left"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: left">From Dan Wolf's website <a href="http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html" rel="nofollow">http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html</a> : "This group is not, strictly speaking, a particular denomination series of one ruler. They demonstrate that early Nabataean coinage seems to have relied on existing circulating Ptolemaic coins, particularly those of Ptolemy II and III, to serve as flans. These coins are fairly scarce and the overstriking (of a type sometimes attributed to Aretas II, Athena obverse over standing Nike reverse) almost always obliterates the undertype to a degree that makes the undertype not specifically identifiable. In very rare cases we can be absolutely certain about the undertype and can see that they are (usually small) coins of Ptolemy II and III. It appears there are also coins of Ptolemy IV that have been used but are not shown here. These very interesting types tell us that Nabataean coinage appears to have started no earlier than about 200BC but perhaps earlier than is clear from the (presumably later) types that are not overstruck. The types of Ptolemy II shown here (at left) are most likely either Svoronos 417 (Zeus / open-wing eagle) and possibly others with control letters no longer visible. The coins at right are likely (and some clearly identifiable) types of Ptolemy III. Two coins show the typical cornucopia at the left of the eagle and with one coin displaying the CHI-RHO. One appears to have the harpa mintmark of Joppa mint, one of the Phoenician mints that issued Ptolemaic bronze coins in mid 3rd C. BC. The coins shown here are oriented to show the Ptolemaic coin undertype. Interestingly, some of the coins are struck in a 'reverse sense' (obverse Nabataean type on reverse of Ptolemaic type) and others are 'normal sense' overstrikes. An important reference paper on these overstruck Ptolemaic coins is "The Earliest Nabataean Coinage" by Rachel Barkay in Numismatic Chronicle (2011), with images of more related coins and a classification system for them."</p> <p style="text-align: left"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: left">-Broucheion</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Broucheion, post: 3723797, member: 104887"][CENTER][ATTACH=full]998346[/ATTACH] Nabatean Kingdom [Undertype: Ptolemy III Euergetes (246-222 BCE)] 16x17 mm 3.17 g[/CENTER] [B][I][/I][/B] [CENTER][/CENTER] [LEFT]OBV: Athena - UNDERTYPE: Zeus-Ammon head, facing right and wearing diadem. Centration depression. Dotted border. REV: Nike - UNDERTYPE: Εagle on thunderbolt facing left, wings closed. Legend to left: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ; to right: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ. Centration depression. Dotted border. LORBER: CPE-B0442 [under type] Sv-0843 [under type] From Dan Wolf's website [URL]http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html[/URL] : "This group is not, strictly speaking, a particular denomination series of one ruler. They demonstrate that early Nabataean coinage seems to have relied on existing circulating Ptolemaic coins, particularly those of Ptolemy II and III, to serve as flans. These coins are fairly scarce and the overstriking (of a type sometimes attributed to Aretas II, Athena obverse over standing Nike reverse) almost always obliterates the undertype to a degree that makes the undertype not specifically identifiable. In very rare cases we can be absolutely certain about the undertype and can see that they are (usually small) coins of Ptolemy II and III. It appears there are also coins of Ptolemy IV that have been used but are not shown here. These very interesting types tell us that Nabataean coinage appears to have started no earlier than about 200BC but perhaps earlier than is clear from the (presumably later) types that are not overstruck. The types of Ptolemy II shown here (at left) are most likely either Svoronos 417 (Zeus / open-wing eagle) and possibly others with control letters no longer visible. The coins at right are likely (and some clearly identifiable) types of Ptolemy III. Two coins show the typical cornucopia at the left of the eagle and with one coin displaying the CHI-RHO. One appears to have the harpa mintmark of Joppa mint, one of the Phoenician mints that issued Ptolemaic bronze coins in mid 3rd C. BC. The coins shown here are oriented to show the Ptolemaic coin undertype. Interestingly, some of the coins are struck in a 'reverse sense' (obverse Nabataean type on reverse of Ptolemaic type) and others are 'normal sense' overstrikes. An important reference paper on these overstruck Ptolemaic coins is "The Earliest Nabataean Coinage" by Rachel Barkay in Numismatic Chronicle (2011), with images of more related coins and a classification system for them." -Broucheion[/LEFT][/QUOTE]
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