Featured Mystery, history and Macedonian shieldistry: my three latest deliveries

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Firstly, I submit to your consideration a coin much like some of mine that you've seen in the past... or have you!?
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    The wonderful obverse ANT monogram is definitely for Antigonos. ... buuuut is that for Gonatas, as usually implied? Or Doson?
    Is the NK related to the same NK as the ATGs?
    What in the world is the monogram on the reverses top right? TNK(??)??
    The reverse BAEL certainly claiming to be king.
    And, the most obvious question of this marvel of ignominy is, whoes monogram is on the bottom of the reverse, DIE(?), Doson, some magistrate or place???
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    Antigonos II Gonatas
    277/6-239 BC. Æ 18mm (3.85 g). Macedonian shield with monogram of Antigonos in central boss / Macedonian helmet; three monograms around. SNG Copenhagen 1222. Very fine. Ex: Savoca

    The coins reverses upper left monogram surely resembles the NK that we saw half a century earlier in the name if Alexander the great. Unfortunately mine cuts off the bottom of the K.
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    Alexander III the Great
    336-323 B.C. Æ 1/2 unit (15 mm, 3.82 g, 11 h). Salamis mint, Struck under Nikokreon, ca. 323-315 B.C. Facing Gorgoneion in the center, forming central boss of Macedonian shield ornamented with five double crescents / B-A, crested Macedonian helmet with cheek guards; caduceus to left, NK monogram to right. Price 3162; SNG Alpha Bank 851. VF, black patina with some earthen highlights. Former: Savoca

    Next up, literally and symbolically, my smashingest club... with a curious reverse also.
    All of this type, wishes they could look this good.
    But for some reason I couldn't guess the "I" was either not on the die or taken off the coin in antiquity.
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    Philip V, 221-179 BC. Hemiobol (Bronze, 17 mm, 5.01 g, 12 h), circa 186-183/2 BC. Macedonian shield with whorl/six crescents in boss. Rev. BA ΦI (I curiously missing) around club. Mamroth, Bronzemünzen 16. SNG Kikpe 450. SNG München 1169-71. Well centered, pleasant green patina. Very fine. Ex: Savoca

    And lastly, a happy lil fella that I got for a song thanks to the sad off centering of the reverse. Still a lovely bit of ancient design and artistry:artist::)
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    LYDIA. Philadelphia.
    Ae (Circa 1st century BC). Obv: Macedonian shield with star on boss. Rev: ΦΙΛΑΔЄΛΦЄΩΝ. Winged thunderbolt within wreath. Control: Monogram above. Cf. SNG Copenhagen 343-7 (Monogram). Extremely fine. 2.68 g. 13 mm.
    Former: Savoca

    Ideas are appreciated. Got sources?? And u know what I want to see!... or whatever questions you long for answering!
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Jinkies! Looks like you've got another mystery to solve, Scoob!

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  4. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Well played
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  5. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    If somebody had any ideas or crazy coin-spiracy theories I'd love to read them.
    For example, here is the usual/ more common Antigonos MSC:
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    Antigonos II Gonatas
    (Circa 270-240 BC). Ae. Amphipolis.
    Obv: Macedonian shield with king´s monogram on boss..
    Rev: BAΣI.
    Macedonian helmet between torch (right) and monogram (left).
    SNG Alpha Bank 1002.
    Condition: Extremely fine.
    Weight: 4.55 g.
    Diameter: 16 mm.
    Ex: Savoca

    My new one is so different and I am not finding any references online...
     
  6. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Here's a CNG coin that looks similar but I don't think all the monograms look the same, Antigonos II Gonatas? Also this one from Agora, same SNG Cop number.

    Here's my one shield that you've already seen Macedonian Shield AE.jpg
    Kings of Macedon, time of Philip III – Antigonos I Monophthalmos, circa 323-310 BC, Æ Half Unit, Uncertain mint in western Asia Minor
    Obv: Macedonian shield; on boss, head of Herakles, wearing lion skin, facing slightly left
    Rev: Macedonian helmet, below, grain ear left
    Ref: Price 2806
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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..its purdy!....you might have to 'Get Smart'...><....hehe...well, i can't seem to find my shieldys at the moment( i limit my searches to 30 minutes:p), so i'll post a bronze of antigonos ll gonatas get smart.jpg antigonos ll gonatas  pan reverse 001.JPG antigonos ll gonatas  pan reverse 002.JPG
     
  8. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Really appreciated! And you know that 3/4 facing Herakles is out of a freaking dream!:artist: (he typed whilst cleaning the drool from his chin.
    Very interesting!
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    Those top 2 monograms on the CNG coin are certainly different than mine (and they paid twice as much for theirs (smirky smirk):
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    But that bottom monogram, again looking like DIE. I scrolled through all the Doson's on ACsearch and other Diadochi, nadda. It seems like the monogram is singular to this coin type. It's just so prominent that I figured there has to be a prominent figure (see what I did there?) behind it!
     
  9. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Excellent Antigonos type! And yours has a neat countermark on the cap and ANT monogram between Pan's legs!!
    Here's mine with the unique to Antigonos Macedonian helmet with corn stalks for ears! (To the left of pan's butt)
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    Antigonus II Gonatas or III Doson
    229-221 BCE, AE19. 4.08g, 18mm.
    Obv: Helmeted head of Athena right. c/m: prow
    Rev: Pan right, erecting trophy to right; B-A across upper field, monogram of Antigonos between legs. In left field, Macedonian helmet; in right field, wreath.
    Moushmov 7308; SNG Copenhagen 1205-11; SNG Alpha Bank 1017-1019; Furtwängler Group 18.
    Recent scholarship indicates that the Pan types were issued past the death of Antigonos II, through the reigns of Demetrios II Aetolicus, Antigonos III Doson, and possibly even into Philip V’s reign. Furtwängler (Beobachtungen zur Chronologie antigonidischer Kupfermünzen im 3. Jh. V. Chr, Obolos 7 2004, pp. 277-290) assigns this issue to Antigonos III Doson, who led Macedon’s last resurgence before its final defeat (to the Romans) under Philip V and Perseus.



    You can also see the corn stalk, regularly a bushel, here on the quarter version of his shield!
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    Antigonos II Gonatas/Antigonus III Doson



    Æ (13mm, 1.8 g,1/2 unit). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Macedonian shield with monogram of Antigonos in central boss / Macedonian helmet sans bushel flanked by grain ears ; kerykeion to left, green patina.

    Possibly singular for the type
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

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    All I know is that they always put my INITIALS on the Makedon Coins. BA (Brian Alegandron) :)

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    MAKEDON Philip III Arrhidaios 323-317 BCE Æ 1-2 Unit 17mm 4.2g Miletos mint Makedonwn shield Gorgoneion - Helmet bipennis K Price 2064
     
  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..ahaha! ><...i was thinking about that movie the other day...."The Fly" good movie! :)
     
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  12. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Movie? I thought that was just Gandy doing his morning routine!:lurking:
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    LOL!

    EVERY time folks talk about “drooling” over something,
    I think of that scene in “The Fly”. I never thought of the concept of “drooling” over something that I like.
     
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  14. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    I suspect there is a Sigma, S, and a Pi, P, in there. Good find.
     
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  15. PeterD

    PeterD Member

    I can't work out how to write in Greek script, but doesn't the reverse say BASILEUS?
     
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