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<p>[QUOTE="Gao, post: 783079, member: 19409"]The links were showing unusually good examples. Not only are most more poorly preserved, but they were often oblong and struck off center. For example, take a look at this <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2864&pos=28" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2864&pos=28" rel="nofollow">Roman Dupondius</a> from my collection. It's newer than your coin by a few centuries, but you'll notice that it's similarly oblong and rather crude by modern standards. The quality of your coin is quite consistent with known ancient coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the "mineral," what you're talking about is the patina. Quite simply, over the centuries and millenia, the outer layer of coins oxidizes and merges with the surrounding minerals. You'll see that the coin I linked above is also rather greenish, and I have a few Byzantine coins from my collection that have green, gem like patinas like your coin, but I haven't scanned them yet. You can in fact find coins that come in all sorts of weird colors and textures due to patination. If you want to convince us that this coin is entirely mineral based, you're going to have to show that it does not have a metal core and that it's even possible to strike a mineral like you can a metal.</p><p> They don't really show any more advanced knowledge than I can see. Your coin is just more worn. And if they are more circular, then it's just because these are unusually good examples, and yours is more run of the mill. Ancient coins were more often shaped like yours than the ones linked earlier.</p><p> Yes, they have different patinas. If you removed the patina (NOT recommended, as it will destroy the value of the coin, both monetarily and aesthetically), you will find that what's underneath is copper, brass, or something like that. It really looks like a rather standard, low grade Ptolemaic coin.</p><p> I'm not sure what you're talking about here.</p><p> No, Ptolemaic bronze coins were often huge in all dimensions. This is pretty normal.</p><p> </p><p> Carbon dating isn't going to help, since that can only date things that were once alive, and nothing in this coin was. You would need a different radiometric dating method, and you would need to go to the metal core. I recommend against doing this, as it's going to be very expensive, and your coin really appears to be a rather run of the mill, low grade Ptolemaic coin worth maybe $20.</p><p> </p><p> Why? It looks very Ptolemaic, particularly the style fo the eagle on the back. You haven't given us anything that indicates that it's anything unusual.</p><p> Which were pretty common back then, and if anything, this means that it would be a later coin, as Ptolemaic coinage quality deteriorated over time.</p><p> Yes, and I have some Roman and Byzantine coins that are the same (like <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2865&pos=5" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2865&pos=5" rel="nofollow">this one</a>), but they are in fact just bronze coins that have attained a rather nice patina due to the conditions of their preservation. This is in fact quite normal for known ancient coinage, and it's actually an indication that it's copper based.</p><p> I'm not sure what conditions lead to what sort of patina, but this is perfectly consistent with how known coins patinate.</p><p> </p><p> Except everything indicates that it's a rather run of the mill Ptolemaic coin.</p><p> I'll look later to find some more worn Ptolemaic coins. What's on that coin is quite clearly a rather standard eagle. The eagle was the symbol of Alexandria, and they often depicted the feathers so that they looked like fur when the coin was worn. I can even see the eagle's beak.</p><p> Except that it's an eagle. I attatched an image below showing something closer to what is actually there (I did this with a touchpad, and it's hard to make out a lot of what's on your worn coin, but the eagle head and beak should be pretty easy to see once I point them out).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gao, post: 783079, member: 19409"]The links were showing unusually good examples. Not only are most more poorly preserved, but they were often oblong and struck off center. For example, take a look at this [url=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2864&pos=28]Roman Dupondius[/url] from my collection. It's newer than your coin by a few centuries, but you'll notice that it's similarly oblong and rather crude by modern standards. The quality of your coin is quite consistent with known ancient coinage. As for the "mineral," what you're talking about is the patina. Quite simply, over the centuries and millenia, the outer layer of coins oxidizes and merges with the surrounding minerals. You'll see that the coin I linked above is also rather greenish, and I have a few Byzantine coins from my collection that have green, gem like patinas like your coin, but I haven't scanned them yet. You can in fact find coins that come in all sorts of weird colors and textures due to patination. If you want to convince us that this coin is entirely mineral based, you're going to have to show that it does not have a metal core and that it's even possible to strike a mineral like you can a metal. They don't really show any more advanced knowledge than I can see. Your coin is just more worn. And if they are more circular, then it's just because these are unusually good examples, and yours is more run of the mill. Ancient coins were more often shaped like yours than the ones linked earlier. Yes, they have different patinas. If you removed the patina (NOT recommended, as it will destroy the value of the coin, both monetarily and aesthetically), you will find that what's underneath is copper, brass, or something like that. It really looks like a rather standard, low grade Ptolemaic coin. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. No, Ptolemaic bronze coins were often huge in all dimensions. This is pretty normal. Carbon dating isn't going to help, since that can only date things that were once alive, and nothing in this coin was. You would need a different radiometric dating method, and you would need to go to the metal core. I recommend against doing this, as it's going to be very expensive, and your coin really appears to be a rather run of the mill, low grade Ptolemaic coin worth maybe $20. Why? It looks very Ptolemaic, particularly the style fo the eagle on the back. You haven't given us anything that indicates that it's anything unusual. Which were pretty common back then, and if anything, this means that it would be a later coin, as Ptolemaic coinage quality deteriorated over time. Yes, and I have some Roman and Byzantine coins that are the same (like [url=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2865&pos=5]this one[/url]), but they are in fact just bronze coins that have attained a rather nice patina due to the conditions of their preservation. This is in fact quite normal for known ancient coinage, and it's actually an indication that it's copper based. I'm not sure what conditions lead to what sort of patina, but this is perfectly consistent with how known coins patinate. Except everything indicates that it's a rather run of the mill Ptolemaic coin. I'll look later to find some more worn Ptolemaic coins. What's on that coin is quite clearly a rather standard eagle. The eagle was the symbol of Alexandria, and they often depicted the feathers so that they looked like fur when the coin was worn. I can even see the eagle's beak. Except that it's an eagle. I attatched an image below showing something closer to what is actually there (I did this with a touchpad, and it's hard to make out a lot of what's on your worn coin, but the eagle head and beak should be pretty easy to see once I point them out).[/QUOTE]
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