MyFirst Signed Coin.....Maybe...pretty sure but....

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Severatus, Mar 29, 2015.

  1. Severatus

    Severatus Active Member

    I purchased this coin from an Ebay seller who purchased it originally in the early 80's from a NY Well know dealer.

    The coin had no attribution other than the obvious type.

    For it's type it is more Photo real than most engravings of the same series.

    The depth, relief and micro details are remarkable.

    At 20-30x Magnification you can see the striations in the Tully fishes fins including contours of the Head. The long sinewy legs of the Bull VS the typical thick legs usually seen on these issue.

    I noticed there was a Φ on the Obverse just fore of the Plume of the helm. It is partially off the planchet but is clear under a loupe.

    Then on the reverse I noticed under 10X magnification another Φ on the haunch/arse of the Bull.

    The Relief is high and the die looks to have cracked on the obverse on my example - possibly lamination?

    Note also the Corinthian Plum has deep recesses to divide the shape & form.

    I did some looking around and found these clues.

    Found This listed with the Following Coin

    Gemini III, January 9th, 2007
    Lot # 42 Estimate: US$2500

    LUCANIA. Thurium. Ca. 443-400 BC. Silver stater (8.07 gm). Head of
    Athena right in crested Attic helmet adorned with olive wreath, Ö
    before head / QOYRIWN, bull with lowered head walking left on double
    exergual line, Ö on rump, bird with open wings alighting left
    beneath bull, tunny fish left in exergue. SNG ANS 948 (same obverse
    die). HN Italy 1772. Signed thrice by Phrygillos. Obverse slightly
    double struck. Nearly mint state.

    In his 1949 publication, Masterpieces of Greek Coinage, Charles
    Seltman noted three signatures for the artist Phrygillos on this
    issue (no. 26); two in the form of the letter “Ö” and the third in
    the form of the finch, which is phrygillos in Greek.

    2006 Gemini, LLC
    Sold for $3400 [ $3910, 3022.43 EUR, 1994.1 GBP

    Estimate: US$2500 signed coin.jpg

    I found this description as well but, the picture would not upload


    Re-used by permission of Harlan J Berk (www.harlanjberk.com) and
    Freeman & Sear (www.freemanandsear.com)

    Lucania.Thurium. Silver stater (7.86 gm). Lucania, Thurium, Ca. 433-400 BC. Head of Athena right in crested Attic helmet adorned with olive wreath, Φ above visor (off flan) / ΘΟΥΡΙΩΝ, bull walking left on double exergual line, bird alighting left below, tunny fish left in exergue. SNG Lockett 477 (this coin). Pozzi 223 (this coin). SNG ANS 948-950. SNG Ashmolean 988-902. HN Italy 1772. Noteworthy pedigree. Some minor isolated obverse pitting. About extremely fine.
    Ex CNG 40, December 1996, lot 643; Richard Cyril Lockett Collection (Glendining, 26 October 1955,Syracusan Phrygillus.

    Original Forum Blog Post
    signed coin.jpg

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=79125.0

    This is my example Not sure why there are multiple pics of the same?

    IMG_4067.JPG IMG_1488.JPG IMG_1486.JPG IMG_1485.JPG signed coin.jpg signed coin.jpg IMG_1485.JPG IMG_1486.JPG IMG_1488.JPG IMG_4067.JPG
     
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  3. Severatus

    Severatus Active Member

    My coin is the one shot with the Obverse and the reverse separate
     
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great coin, Severatus. I can clearly make out the Φ in both the obverse field and on the haunch of the bull, and the finch is wonderfully detailed.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    First, let me say this is a stunning coin and congratulation on acquiring it. I've not seen many Ancient coins with this kind of detail. Very, very nice.

    Second, my computer crashed a few weeks ago and I'm still in the process of rebuilding my image databases and my coin catalog. I know I have a coin from Lucania, but I can't put my finger on it at the moment. I know it will be very poor in comparison, but when I find it, I'll post the image.

    Again, congratulation.
     
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  6. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    As with your examples, my Thurium stater is from the first issue of the city and has the bull left on the reverse, but I can find no letters on either side.

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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WOW!!!! All stunning pieces!!!
     
  8. Severatus

    Severatus Active Member

    It was fairly interesting I had just acquired the above nomos, right after I purchased a new LED Loupe from Grobet USA Triplet 10x-21mm

    Like you do when you get a new toy you gotta give it a go and look at coins with nuances under the scrutiny of the new Loupe. Greek Fractionals, Judea Bronzes with possible imperial overstrikes all the little stuff.

    A lovely Loupe, no need for the right angle, the light is always bright & right where you need.

    I was going to get a Bausch & Lomb LED but, I like to support and American company....well plus I did not have to wait for shipping ;)

    Here are a couple shots through my Grobet LED Triplet 10x-21mm loupe.

    thats my pinky by the way and the coin is .90 Grams 12mm IMG_4813.JPG IMG_4812.JPG
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I think I'm going to have to get me one of them.
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

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  12. Severatus

    Severatus Active Member

    Here are the Loupes I own - With LED Grobet I believe I may have found a Tiberius Portrait within the Vespasian portrait on my IMG_4815.JPG Judea Capta Denarius
     
  13. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    More than half (five out of nine) of your photos are not up the right way.
    Can everyone please pay attention to getting this (small) detail right.
    It makes it easier to see the point you are making (and easier on my neck).
    Thank-you
     
  14. Severatus

    Severatus Active Member

    Strange, All the pics are formatted correct and the preview showed them in the horizontal orientation, not sure what happend there. Srry bout that
     
  15. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a great lookin' coin SEV, dang. sweeeet details, i love that little bird...and the rainbow tone above the helm is nice looking.
     
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