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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4699862, member: 19463"]About 30 years ago I wanted a 'real' Vetranio. I find it upsetting now as I did then how many dealers peddle coins of Constantius II 'issued by Vetranio' as if they were 'real' Vetranios because they share the types and branch mint. In my book, coins of a person need to have the name or at least the portrait of the person. There are coins inscribed with the name of Vetranio.</p><p><br /></p><p>I found a very worn but clear Vetranio AE2 with clear legends and the best of his reverses HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS Which was the then current way of saying By this sign, you will conquer. I wish I could show you a photo of that coin but I made a mistake and overwrote that file when I got the higher grade coin below. I was thrilled with the upgrade and quickly sold the lower grade coin seeing no reason to keep both.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1154549[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>My thrill with the above coin disappeared when I discovered it was a fake. There are quite a few of these on the fake reporting pages although there does seem to be some question on exactly how they were made. I believe most often seen is 'lost wax' casting. They are dangerous fakes. My seller immediately refunded the coin when I returned it so I was back to having no Vetranio.</p><p><br /></p><p>A year or so later I found another one in my price bracket but it was the 'other' (read: "lesser") reverse: CONCORDIA MILITVM. I do find it interesting that this type has two Chi-Rhos regularly more clear than the single one on the HOC SIGNO coin but I did still consider it a lesser coin than the one I wanted.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1154550[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Today the post office came through with rapid and safe delivery of the coin I wanted to replace the one I had foolishly sold and replaced with the fake. It was the lesser of two offered in last week's CNG Electronic sale (473, lot 366)</p><p><a href="https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEU/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-245mm-482-g-6h-siscia-mint-3rd-officina" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEU/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-245mm-482-g-6h-siscia-mint-3rd-officina" rel="nofollow">https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEU/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-245mm-482-g-6h-siscia-mint-3rd-officina</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The better was lot 367. I was the only bidder on the one I won but there were 7 bids on the other coin.</p><p><a href="https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEW/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-24mm-509-g-6h-siscia-mint-5th-officina" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEW/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-24mm-509-g-6h-siscia-mint-5th-officina" rel="nofollow">https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEW/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-24mm-509-g-6h-siscia-mint-5th-officina</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This illustrates several points I consider interesting. My coin has considerable flatness on the reverse which explains its lack of popularity. The 'better' coin selling for well over double mine had better reverse figures but not as clear legend. I wanted the coin for that legend. If you want a bargain coin, consider bidding on the lesser of the offerings in a big sale like CNG. Many of their bidders would not think of taking the lesser coin so they bid only on the better one. Had they both been available for what I paid, I still would have selected the one I got. Your opinions may differ.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1154882[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, there was one other thing here that affected my choice. The other coin was a .ESIS* just like the fake. Mine was a gamma (.GSIS.). The better coin is not one of the known fakes die matched to the one I returned BUT 'once bitten, twice shy'. I am not in the market for further Vetranio coins now (I hope) unless these turn out to be fakes, too. The fakes were very good, IMHO, and I would never have suspected the coin were it not for the multiple identical copies in the fake databases. I do not know these coins so I have to trust the seller.</p><p><br /></p><p>Post your Vetranios.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4699862, member: 19463"]About 30 years ago I wanted a 'real' Vetranio. I find it upsetting now as I did then how many dealers peddle coins of Constantius II 'issued by Vetranio' as if they were 'real' Vetranios because they share the types and branch mint. In my book, coins of a person need to have the name or at least the portrait of the person. There are coins inscribed with the name of Vetranio. I found a very worn but clear Vetranio AE2 with clear legends and the best of his reverses HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS Which was the then current way of saying By this sign, you will conquer. I wish I could show you a photo of that coin but I made a mistake and overwrote that file when I got the higher grade coin below. I was thrilled with the upgrade and quickly sold the lower grade coin seeing no reason to keep both. [ATTACH=full]1154549[/ATTACH] My thrill with the above coin disappeared when I discovered it was a fake. There are quite a few of these on the fake reporting pages although there does seem to be some question on exactly how they were made. I believe most often seen is 'lost wax' casting. They are dangerous fakes. My seller immediately refunded the coin when I returned it so I was back to having no Vetranio. A year or so later I found another one in my price bracket but it was the 'other' (read: "lesser") reverse: CONCORDIA MILITVM. I do find it interesting that this type has two Chi-Rhos regularly more clear than the single one on the HOC SIGNO coin but I did still consider it a lesser coin than the one I wanted. [ATTACH=full]1154550[/ATTACH] Today the post office came through with rapid and safe delivery of the coin I wanted to replace the one I had foolishly sold and replaced with the fake. It was the lesser of two offered in last week's CNG Electronic sale (473, lot 366) [URL]https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEU/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-245mm-482-g-6h-siscia-mint-3rd-officina[/URL] The better was lot 367. I was the only bidder on the one I won but there were 7 bids on the other coin. [URL]https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-MVOEW/vetranio-ad-350-centenionalis-24mm-509-g-6h-siscia-mint-5th-officina[/URL] This illustrates several points I consider interesting. My coin has considerable flatness on the reverse which explains its lack of popularity. The 'better' coin selling for well over double mine had better reverse figures but not as clear legend. I wanted the coin for that legend. If you want a bargain coin, consider bidding on the lesser of the offerings in a big sale like CNG. Many of their bidders would not think of taking the lesser coin so they bid only on the better one. Had they both been available for what I paid, I still would have selected the one I got. Your opinions may differ. [ATTACH=full]1154882[/ATTACH] In fact, there was one other thing here that affected my choice. The other coin was a .ESIS* just like the fake. Mine was a gamma (.GSIS.). The better coin is not one of the known fakes die matched to the one I returned BUT 'once bitten, twice shy'. I am not in the market for further Vetranio coins now (I hope) unless these turn out to be fakes, too. The fakes were very good, IMHO, and I would never have suspected the coin were it not for the multiple identical copies in the fake databases. I do not know these coins so I have to trust the seller. Post your Vetranios.[/QUOTE]
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