Didn’t the nobility have to purchase them as proof of some kind of tax paid to the monarch or overlord? The richer the magnate was, the bigger the tax he paid, and the bigger the denomination of coin he was given? Something like that. At least with the earlier ones. Which perhaps explains why so many of them had mounts put on them, to be worn as a sort of ceremonial “jewelry” or badge of status, rather than for actual use in commerce? Correct me if I’m wrong.
They were definitely a status symbol. You also had to sell them back to the monarch for if the monarch "needed" more silver.
Well, I’d venture to say that the big multiple thalers are still a status symbol of sorts, albeit now within the numismatic community rather than the northern European nobility!
Just noted this thread. I have a few Thalers/ most are gold. Here is a Anhalt-Kothen AR Vereinsdoppeltaler 1840 Heinrich Herzog zu Anhalt-Kothen
Here is a coin from my collection. Details grade but a special coin for me. It was my from my dads collection.
I fell in lust with thalers back in 2006-2008 and picked up a couple. I hadn't seen them in a while but hey just turned up tonight. I'm not sure what I have here. Can anyone identify these? A ballpark on value would also be helpful. I don't remember how much I paid but it couldn't have been more than $250 each. Thanks
I thought of this thread today when I went to a coin store and saw an 1842A 2T (NGC AU Details, environmental details) for $50. It was a very good deal, I just couldn’t get myself to pull the trigger.
If it was attractive that is a pretty good price. That era has a lot more 2 thalers on the market but $50 for an 1800's crown sized coin is tough to pass up.
First one is from Salzburg. Here’s one I found online, as I’m not the best with valuation. https://www.ma-shops.com/muenzgalerie/item.php?id=61237 Second one is likely a 1/4 Thaler: https://www.ma-shops.com/loebbers/item.php?id=150514018 Third makes me think French, or Alsace region, but I’m drawing a blank. Sorry!
So I asked a buddy who lived near the LCS to buy that coin for me. Unfortunately, it was VF details (not sure why I thought it was XF or AU). It looked better in hand, at least; the reverse is quite lovely. To be honest, I thought the price fair even with environmental details. I may at some point crack it out and see if I can do anything to approve the appearance.
Thanks for the information. You certainly nailed the first two. I think the third is Venetian. I think that is Saint Marks lion (Sanctus Marcus).
Yesterday I attended the Derby City Coin Club show in Louisville, KY. I was able to add my first multiple in quite some time. German States coinage is becoming increasingly scarce as a whole. This is the first multiple thaler I have found at a reasonable price for quite some time. Eichstätt (Bishophric). Sede Vacante. 1790 2 Thaler Obverse: Saints above vacant throne Obverse Legend: CAPITULUM EYSTETTENSE - REGNANS SEDE VACANTE, below: 17.V EINE FEINE MARK. Engraver: Johann Peter Werner Reverse: Tree with 15 shields in branches, one shield below trunk, abbey and lands in background Reverse Legend: EX UNO OMNIS NOSTRA SALUS, below: WILIBALDS-BURG. in band Engraver: Johann Peter Werner Subject: Sede Vacante Issue Note: Convention 2 Thaler. Dav. #2212. Composition: Silver Weight: 56.03g Diameter: 52.5mm Mint: W Nuremberg, Germany