Featured My Quest for Multiple Thalers

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Chris B, Aug 4, 2022.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Didn’t the nobility have to purchase them as proof of some kind of tax paid to the monarch or overlord? The richer the magnate was, the bigger the tax he paid, and the bigger the denomination of coin he was given?

    Something like that. At least with the earlier ones. Which perhaps explains why so many of them had mounts put on them, to be worn as a sort of ceremonial “jewelry” or badge of status, rather than for actual use in commerce?

    Correct me if I’m wrong.
     
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  3. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    They were definitely a status symbol. You also had to sell them back to the monarch for if the monarch "needed" more silver.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Well, I’d venture to say that the big multiple thalers are still a status symbol of sorts, albeit now within the numismatic community rather than the northern European nobility!
     
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Haha, fair enough!

    Biggest I've got is a piddly little single thaler ;)
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I have only a half!
     
  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Mine is Prooflike, and quite unused. It is rather modern, compared to the OP. But still Thaler-ish.

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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Just noted this thread. I have a few Thalers/ most are gold. Here is a
    Anhalt-Kothen
    AR Vereinsdoppeltaler 1840
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here is a coin from my collection.
    Details grade but a special coin for me.
    It was my from my dads collection.
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  10. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    7794A27A-7EEF-44E1-B565-3CFC49A99A1D.jpeg 8FF8BBD7-CEC2-453B-91E0-0B785B5F4F65.jpeg An ex Lord Marcovan Thaler: 984DEFCA-17F1-4CB0-BC96-A770C4970F0D.jpeg
     
  11. Andrew619

    Andrew619 New Member

    I fell in lust with thalers back in 2006-2008 and picked up a couple. I hadn't seen them in a while but hey just turned up tonight. I'm not sure what I have here.

    Can anyone identify these? A ballpark on value would also be helpful. I don't remember how much I paid but it couldn't have been more than $250 each.

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    Thanks
     
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  12. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I thought of this thread today when I went to a coin store and saw an 1842A 2T (NGC AU Details, environmental details) for $50. It was a very good deal, I just couldn’t get myself to pull the trigger.
     
  13. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    If it was attractive that is a pretty good price. That era has a lot more 2 thalers on the market but $50 for an 1800's crown sized coin is tough to pass up.
     
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  14. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    First one is from Salzburg. Here’s one I found online, as I’m not the best with valuation. https://www.ma-shops.com/muenzgalerie/item.php?id=61237

    Second one is likely a 1/4 Thaler: https://www.ma-shops.com/loebbers/item.php?id=150514018

    Third makes me think French, or Alsace region, but I’m drawing a blank. Sorry!
     
  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    So I asked a buddy who lived near the LCS to buy that coin for me. Unfortunately, it was VF details (not sure why I thought it was XF or AU). It looked better in hand, at least; the reverse is quite lovely. To be honest, I thought the price fair even with environmental details. I may at some point crack it out and see if I can do anything to approve the appearance.
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  16. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Here’s a cool wearable Thaler that I came across a year or so ago: 0E52B77F-4A56-4E9C-8167-EA74EAFA7109.jpeg E56F7D7D-D483-4F09-87E2-1C14019BC9F5.jpeg
     
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  17. Andrew619

    Andrew619 New Member


    Thanks for the information. You certainly nailed the first two. I think the third is Venetian. I think that is Saint Marks lion (Sanctus Marcus).
     
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  18. Andrew619

    Andrew619 New Member

    Found it. Should I send these off for grading?

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  20. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Yesterday I attended the Derby City Coin Club show in Louisville, KY. I was able to add my first multiple in quite some time. German States coinage is becoming increasingly scarce as a whole. This is the first multiple thaler I have found at a reasonable price for quite some time.

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    Eichstätt (Bishophric). Sede Vacante. 1790 2 Thaler

    Obverse: Saints above vacant throne
    Obverse Legend: CAPITULUM EYSTETTENSE - REGNANS SEDE VACANTE, below: 17.V EINE FEINE MARK.
    Engraver: Johann Peter Werner

    Reverse: Tree with 15 shields in branches, one shield below trunk, abbey and lands in background
    Reverse Legend: EX UNO OMNIS NOSTRA SALUS, below: WILIBALDS-BURG. in band
    Engraver: Johann Peter Werner

    Subject: Sede Vacante Issue
    Note: Convention 2 Thaler. Dav. #2212.

    Composition: Silver
    Weight: 56.03g
    Diameter: 52.5mm

    Mint: W Nuremberg, Germany
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Love that tree motif!
     
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