My latest world silver crown - cleaned ?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by doppeltaler, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. doppeltaler

    doppeltaler Well-Known Member

    I have been fascinated with the reverse design of the Romanian 5 L. I had 2 of them with worn out reverse in the past that I sold recently. Then I saw this one on recent Goldberg sale and thought it is the most attractive reverse I have ever seen. Perhaps it is the photography but I wanted that and it wasn't that expensive. However it was graded AU details - surface hairlines. The description mentioned the strike is sharp. I am yet to receive the coin but costing days to see it in hand.
    What do you think about the hair lines? To me it doesn't look like cleaned with usual parallel hairlines. Perhaps it is dipped ? Although I see little scratches on fields.

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    Description:

    Romania. 5 Lei, 1883-B. Dav-274; KM-17.1. Charles I, As King, 1866-1914. Sharply struck. Toned. NGC graded About Uncirculated, Details (Surface Hairlines).Estimate Value $100 - 125
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Looks as if the 3 has a repunch or something else going on.
     
  4. TheGame

    TheGame Well-Known Member

    It looks to me like it may have been cleaned a long time ago. I think it'll be easier to tell in hand.
     
  5. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    The letters appear to have a slightly darker halo around them. I agree that it likely had an old cleaning.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's pretty common for hairlines to be very difficult to see in pictures, especially on business strikes. Sometimes they can even be difficult to see in hand unless you tilt the coin just right under the light.

    The scratches in the fields you mention, I'm reasonably certain that's not what they are referring to when they say hairlines. Nor do I think that coin has been dipped.
     
  7. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I agree with the other comments as to being cleaned and the difficulty in seeing hairlines. The large photo really shows the bag/contact marks. I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but it looks like a nice coin.
     
  8. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    It's 134 years old, so yeah, it's probably been cleaned, dipped, whatever. Do you care? I wouldn't. It's a lovely design and I wish it were in my crown collection. Congrats on a great buy.
     
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  9. doppeltaler

    doppeltaler Well-Known Member

    Thanks, yes irrespective of the detailed condition I like the coin. Let me look carefully when I get it in hand and report back. Thanks everyone.

    On a side note I wonder if TPGs keep a detailed description as to why they mark a certain coin detailed. Example - ex.mount , will they keep an entry saying where the mount was ?
     
  10. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Great coin, and I agree the reverse is very detailed
     
  11. sidney toh

    sidney toh Member

    The coin does seems to have been previously cleaned. As to the scratches, they look like bag marks to me rather to hairline scratches. You'll definitely need to see it close-up in your hands once you receive the coin.
    All in all, it's a great coin. Love it!
     
  12. Alok Verma

    Alok Verma Explorer

    Really a very nice coin.I like it very much.
     
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