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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 638406, member: 112"]Mark my point is this, based on what I have seen, during the past 2 years both NGC and PCGS have been more lenient in their grading. But it has primarily been for 1 reason IMO - the value aspect. In other words, grades were being bumped to reflect an increase in value and for no other reason.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I will grant you that in the past few months especially, a lot of people are reporting that the TPG's have tightened up because of CAC. Now maybe that is true, and maybe it is not - I honestly don't know because trends in grading are more easily recognized some time after they started than they are when they first start. And as you well know, if one reads the forums, submitters are constantly saying that the TPG's are looser or tighter on almost a weekly basis, which I think is rediculous by the way.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you, having been a grader for NGC, undoubtably know better than rest of us what the actual happenings are in regard to whether or not the TPG's actually do adjust their grading standards and direct their employees to follow those adjusted standards. Or whether any seeming fluctuation in standards is just the result of ambiguity on the part of the graders themselves. (sure would be nice if you would answer that question) Myself, I can only base my opinions on results and what I see at any given point in time.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I try to keep up with the changes in slab design as much as the next person, probably more so than most, with the notable exception of Conder of course. But it has been my experience that newly graded coins, whether they be the result of a coin being graded for the very first time or they are the result of a re-submission, are typically seen by the public quite soon after they slabbed. Now they may be seen at a dealer's shop, on the bourse or an auction first, but almost always they are seen on one of the various forums very soon thereafter that being displayed by their proud new owners. Of course coins that reside in older slabs are also seen quite often, but they are even more readily recognized as being in those older slabs. So it's not too hard to pin down within a reasonable time frame as to when that given coin was actually slabbed.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now all of this is the reason for what I say. And in my opinion it is among the coins that have been graded in the past 2 years or so that I find the majority of those that I consider overgraded. And it is really not too hard to prove that to oneself. For all you have to do is go back through auction records to see the trend, for the dates of the auctions make it obvious as to what the slabbing date limitation is.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you disagree with my outlook, that's fine. But realize that I don't just base my opinion on an ambiguous feeling. I base it on what the record actually reflects.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 638406, member: 112"]Mark my point is this, based on what I have seen, during the past 2 years both NGC and PCGS have been more lenient in their grading. But it has primarily been for 1 reason IMO - the value aspect. In other words, grades were being bumped to reflect an increase in value and for no other reason. Now I will grant you that in the past few months especially, a lot of people are reporting that the TPG's have tightened up because of CAC. Now maybe that is true, and maybe it is not - I honestly don't know because trends in grading are more easily recognized some time after they started than they are when they first start. And as you well know, if one reads the forums, submitters are constantly saying that the TPG's are looser or tighter on almost a weekly basis, which I think is rediculous by the way. Now you, having been a grader for NGC, undoubtably know better than rest of us what the actual happenings are in regard to whether or not the TPG's actually do adjust their grading standards and direct their employees to follow those adjusted standards. Or whether any seeming fluctuation in standards is just the result of ambiguity on the part of the graders themselves. (sure would be nice if you would answer that question) Myself, I can only base my opinions on results and what I see at any given point in time. Now I try to keep up with the changes in slab design as much as the next person, probably more so than most, with the notable exception of Conder of course. But it has been my experience that newly graded coins, whether they be the result of a coin being graded for the very first time or they are the result of a re-submission, are typically seen by the public quite soon after they slabbed. Now they may be seen at a dealer's shop, on the bourse or an auction first, but almost always they are seen on one of the various forums very soon thereafter that being displayed by their proud new owners. Of course coins that reside in older slabs are also seen quite often, but they are even more readily recognized as being in those older slabs. So it's not too hard to pin down within a reasonable time frame as to when that given coin was actually slabbed. Now all of this is the reason for what I say. And in my opinion it is among the coins that have been graded in the past 2 years or so that I find the majority of those that I consider overgraded. And it is really not too hard to prove that to oneself. For all you have to do is go back through auction records to see the trend, for the dates of the auctions make it obvious as to what the slabbing date limitation is. Now you disagree with my outlook, that's fine. But realize that I don't just base my opinion on an ambiguous feeling. I base it on what the record actually reflects.[/QUOTE]
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