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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Cloudsweeper99, post: 162306, member: 3011&quot;]Moen,</p><p><br /></p><p>As usual, there is a nugget of wisdom in your thoughts.&nbsp; Collecting is, after all, a subjective endeavour.&nbsp; Cleaning used to be okay.&nbsp; Now it is forbidden.&nbsp; What will be considered acceptable in 30 years? Nobody knows.&nbsp; The present set of collecting rules is admittedly a bit anal-retentive with rules that everybody knows and accepts but in the end might not really be that important to many people other than the fact that it has been drilled into them that they are important.&nbsp; I think this guy is making a low probability bet that he&#039;ll be able to retire using his current methods, but the collection itself might still be interesting and provide a lot of personal satisfaction.&nbsp; If he is collecting MS grade coins, they are ruined to the extent that luster is a grading factor.&nbsp; If they are circulated coins to begin with, the average VF coin has probably seen worse during its lifetime than what a cleaning will do to it.&nbsp; I think rarity is more important than condition, and that most collectors overpay for &#039;conditional rarity.&#039;&nbsp; There is a lot of scope for new ideas in the hobby, but it&#039;s very tough to change people&#039;s habits.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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