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<p>[QUOTE="Heliodromus, post: 7878151, member: 120820"]Well...</p><p><br /></p><p>There's a lot going on between 306-310. We've got Constantine first coming to power in 306 with Galerius agreeing to a title of caesar, then his alliance with Maximianus and Maxentius resulting in his elevation to augustus by Maximianus in 307. In 307-308 there's Constantine's numismatic declaration of a "new world order" whereby Galerius is demoted to junior (IVN) augustus, and both Maximianus and Maxentius are recognized (RIC VI Lyons 254, 256, etc).</p><p><br /></p><p>In the meantime we've got Galerius & Severus's failed attempts to oust Maxentius in 307, Maximinus unhappy with his title of caesar given the usurpers leapfrogging him in seniority, and Galerius evntually trying to bring things back under control with the famous conference at Carnuntum in late November 308. At Carnuntum Maximianus is forced back into retirement, and Maximinus and Constantine are given the meaningless title of "FIL AVG" intended to make them happy, which it does not. Neither Maximinus or Constantine use the FIL AVG title for themselves, although Maximinus does briefly use it for Constantine in 309. In 310 Maximinus eventually coerces Galerius into accepting both himself and Constantine as augusti.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, with this backdrop, what about Constantine's recognition of Maximinus ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Constantine's main mint for most of this period had been Trier, and there as elsewhere (London & Lyons) he was happy to immediately recognize Maximinus as a co-tetrarch, and continued to do so probably all the way up to Carnuntum in Nov 308, including him as part of his "new world order" in his previously issued Lyons coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>After Carnuntum, Constantine appears to have taken umbrage at Maximinus's use of the FIL AVG title for him, and stops coining for him. At Trier this is reflected in the "heavy T-F" issue (including MARTI PATRI) of 309 which only includes Constantine himself, and (notably) also Maxentius. Galerius, Maximinus, Licinius and Maximianus (as proper) are all omitted.</p><p><br /></p><p>In early 310 (or late 309?), after Maximinus's successful whining/pressure campaign to have himself and Constantine recognized as augusti by Galerius, Constantine is evidentially pleased and briefly restores Maximinus to his coinage, first on the London counterpart to the Trier heavy T-F issue (RIC VI London 105-106).</p><p><br /></p><p>At this point, in 310, Constantine now reforms his coinage, introducing the solidus, reducing his bronze coinage to a new weight standard of 1/72lb (~4.5g), and introducing his new type lineup of SOLI INVICTO/etc. Somewhat oddly Maximinus (and also Licinius) are barely included on this new coinage, at least not initially. Constantine does include Maximinus on an unlisted PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS type for this Trier 1/72lb PTR T-F issue, likely right at the beginning of the issue, but then probably ignores him for the best part of a year. It's easier to see what's going on at London where we see both Maximinus and Licinus rare-as-hell in the whole PLN T-F issue, then suddenly over-represented in the rare PLN */T-*/F issue which seems to kick off his preparations for war with Maxentius. The GENIO POP ROM type we see for Maximinus in the 1/72lb Trier PTR T-F issue is probably issued at same time he reappears at London.</p><p><br /></p><p>At this point, once Maximinus and Licnius are established on Constantine's coinage in the runup to his war with Maxentius, Maximinus continues to be recognized by Constantine all the way up to his death in 313 AD.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, to summarize this rather long sequence of events, we've got Constantine including Maximinus on his coinage at Trier (and elsewhere) from 306-313 but with breaks both in 309 (FIL AVG blues) and in 310-311 (because he served no purpose?).</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's my specimen of Daia's brief PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS reappearance at Trier in 310 AD in the 1/72 lb issue (23x22mm 3.66g).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1358277[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Heliodromus, post: 7878151, member: 120820"]Well... There's a lot going on between 306-310. We've got Constantine first coming to power in 306 with Galerius agreeing to a title of caesar, then his alliance with Maximianus and Maxentius resulting in his elevation to augustus by Maximianus in 307. In 307-308 there's Constantine's numismatic declaration of a "new world order" whereby Galerius is demoted to junior (IVN) augustus, and both Maximianus and Maxentius are recognized (RIC VI Lyons 254, 256, etc). In the meantime we've got Galerius & Severus's failed attempts to oust Maxentius in 307, Maximinus unhappy with his title of caesar given the usurpers leapfrogging him in seniority, and Galerius evntually trying to bring things back under control with the famous conference at Carnuntum in late November 308. At Carnuntum Maximianus is forced back into retirement, and Maximinus and Constantine are given the meaningless title of "FIL AVG" intended to make them happy, which it does not. Neither Maximinus or Constantine use the FIL AVG title for themselves, although Maximinus does briefly use it for Constantine in 309. In 310 Maximinus eventually coerces Galerius into accepting both himself and Constantine as augusti. So, with this backdrop, what about Constantine's recognition of Maximinus ? Constantine's main mint for most of this period had been Trier, and there as elsewhere (London & Lyons) he was happy to immediately recognize Maximinus as a co-tetrarch, and continued to do so probably all the way up to Carnuntum in Nov 308, including him as part of his "new world order" in his previously issued Lyons coinage. After Carnuntum, Constantine appears to have taken umbrage at Maximinus's use of the FIL AVG title for him, and stops coining for him. At Trier this is reflected in the "heavy T-F" issue (including MARTI PATRI) of 309 which only includes Constantine himself, and (notably) also Maxentius. Galerius, Maximinus, Licinius and Maximianus (as proper) are all omitted. In early 310 (or late 309?), after Maximinus's successful whining/pressure campaign to have himself and Constantine recognized as augusti by Galerius, Constantine is evidentially pleased and briefly restores Maximinus to his coinage, first on the London counterpart to the Trier heavy T-F issue (RIC VI London 105-106). At this point, in 310, Constantine now reforms his coinage, introducing the solidus, reducing his bronze coinage to a new weight standard of 1/72lb (~4.5g), and introducing his new type lineup of SOLI INVICTO/etc. Somewhat oddly Maximinus (and also Licinius) are barely included on this new coinage, at least not initially. Constantine does include Maximinus on an unlisted PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS type for this Trier 1/72lb PTR T-F issue, likely right at the beginning of the issue, but then probably ignores him for the best part of a year. It's easier to see what's going on at London where we see both Maximinus and Licinus rare-as-hell in the whole PLN T-F issue, then suddenly over-represented in the rare PLN */T-*/F issue which seems to kick off his preparations for war with Maxentius. The GENIO POP ROM type we see for Maximinus in the 1/72lb Trier PTR T-F issue is probably issued at same time he reappears at London. At this point, once Maximinus and Licnius are established on Constantine's coinage in the runup to his war with Maxentius, Maximinus continues to be recognized by Constantine all the way up to his death in 313 AD. So, to summarize this rather long sequence of events, we've got Constantine including Maximinus on his coinage at Trier (and elsewhere) from 306-313 but with breaks both in 309 (FIL AVG blues) and in 310-311 (because he served no purpose?). Here's my specimen of Daia's brief PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS reappearance at Trier in 310 AD in the 1/72 lb issue (23x22mm 3.66g). [ATTACH=full]1358277[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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