My first Ptolemaic

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

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    Ex- @Ken Dorney:
     
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  3. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Attractive Tet. In almost every coin of the ancient Greek and Seleucid reign, there's something specific regarding the engraver's style. Notice the open beak of the eagle on reverse.
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Great first Ptolemaic!
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Neat. But is it open- like, gaping wide open, or is that just an outcurving feather coming off its neck?
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    I like the huge bronzes, but find those central dimples distracting sometimes. Those sure are fun to hold in one's hand, however. I won't rule one out for the future.

    I find the Ptolemaic period interesting (what little I've read so far), but the sameness of the coin designs sometimes gets to me (much as it does with Byzantines at times).

    I'm sure that sameness and consistency made good sense in ancient commerce, but the modern collector in me likes more variety. There's no shortage of that in the classical Greek coins.

    I want an appealing Cleopatra VII coin some day. Who among us doesn't, in the "have nots" club?
     
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  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I've been trying to get a decent large bronze at a decent price for awhile with no luck. One day though!
     
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  8. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    A lovely Ptolemaic!
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Methinks it is a feather... But, when you SAID that, I thought, "COOL, yeah, TELL everyone he is about to swallow a rabbit he just caught!"

    Great coin, and great start to collecting the Ptolemies!

    My first Ptolemy:

    PTOLEMY was the Greatest of the Diadochi!

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    Ptolemy I
    signed by the Designer / Artist with a Delta behind his ear (curl of his hair).
    305-285 BCE
    AR Tetradrachm
    OBV: Ptolemy I facing r, Delta behind ear, punch marks
    REV: Standing Eagle l, punch marks.
    23.6mm x 4.5mm (thick)
    13.8g
    (see @7Calbrey 's comment above)
     
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  10. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Nice!
    I have 2 Ptolemy Tets, one from Ptolemy II and the other from Ptolemy X
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    Ptolemy II Tetradrachm
    Tyre mint
    277-264 BCE
    13.8 grams

    And

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    Ptolemy X - Paphos Mint
    Size: 26mm
    Weight: 13.19 grams
    Obverse: Diademed head right, wearing aegis
    Reverse: PTOLEMAIOU BASILEWS, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt; L K (date) before; PA behind.

    Laughs in War elephant :p:D
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    LOL
     
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  12. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Just beautiful. Great work on the video as well! You can really see that excellent toning.
    My first ancient Egyptian coin or of the ptolemaic dynasty for that matter:
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    ... though, I think @Alegandron misspelled, "PYRRHUS was the Greatest of the Diadochi!"
    We all have those moments, buddy;)
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    I didn't even notice the video until after I'd already pulled the trigger on the coin! (It was just text and a URL pasted into the bottom of the VCoins listing). But yes, good video, and Dorney has an intriguing tray of stuff in the background.
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    I will concede he was an excellent General and King... Never could completely defeat Republican Rome... But, did a good try! (kinda like Hannibal).

    But, a legacy of being King over 3 Kingdoms, purdy cool!

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    Syracuse Sicily Pyrrhus 278-275 BCE AE 24mm 9.2g HeraklesHd - Athena Promachos SG1213 LE584 Left


    OH! But here is a Ptolemy to get us back on track...
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    Egypt Ptolemy II 285-274 BC AE Obol 20mm 6.7g Alex III Eagle Tbolt Plain SV 601
     
  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

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    LOL, yeah, he only thought he was great... Republican Rome took care of that a few years later. :)


    PTOLEMAIC COIN
    (With all the HUGE Ptolemaic coins, I got this one cuz it was little...)
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    Egypt Ptolemy II 285-274 BC AE 17mm Eagle Cornuc SV 762
     
  16. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Great coin - you got the "good brother". If you haven't found it already, Ed Waddell's site has a copy of Svornos (1904) online: 1228 - with Plate XXXVIII.28 images are a bit small but still nice to have.

    You can also add to the provenance & references for your coin:
    ex-CNG eAuction 456 Lot 248 13-Nov-2019
    ex-Pegasi BBS 143 lot 196 26-Aug-2014 (noted by CNG)
    Ref: Svoronos 1228; Olivier 3293–304 (obv. die D46); Mørkholm, Ptolemaic 357–63 (obv. die a38); SNG Copenhagen 562 var. (Z not retrograde; same obv. die); DCA 76

    Here's my Ptolemy Tet of VIII - little brother to Ptolemy VI Philometer: a long story of sibling rivalry, as they started out joint rulers ~169-164 BC. My coin is from VIII (after VI died in 145) joint reign with Sister Cleopatra II with whom he had one child and niece Cleopatra III (daughter of VI) with whom he had 5 children (I find the family tree - family network - relatively unintelligible). Wikipedia reports that Greek sources much preferred VI over his brother describing Ptolemy VIII as a cruel, fat, degenerate, among other things.
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    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II, nicknamed Physcon (Φύσκων "Fatty"), reign 145-116 BC, Alexandria Tetradrachm, circa 132-131 (year 39), AR
    Size: 28.3mm, 14.13g
    Obv: Diademed head of Ptolemy I right, wearing aegis
    Rev: ΠTOΛEMAIOY-BAΣIΛEΩΣ, Eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt; L ΛΘ to left, ΠΑ to right
    Ref: Svoronos 1513 (Plate LII.14), SNG Copenhagen –; Noeske –; DCA 54

    Svornos looks better at archive.org, but seems to be missing the plates
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  18. DonnaML

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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Wow, thanks for all the info. I must confess I still haven't gotten the hang of how to use ACSearch. All of it (attributions, reference citation, researching provenance, etc.) is pretty bewildering to me most of the time. I've plinked around a little on Wildwinds, is all, and skimmed some discussions here, and that's about it. Sometimes it's all just a bit too much for me, and I get a headache and retreat to more familiar US and World coin topics. But oh, I do love ancients, even when I'm feeling clueless. Maybe I just need it all "dumbed down" a bit.

    Yeah, I noticed that, too.

    Funny that the variety number is "1228", too (albeit only of interest to me). That also caught my eye, since that's my birthdate.
     
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  20. DonnaML

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    Of course, for all I know Svoronos was wrong and it is a tetradrachm. After all, the book was published circa 1904! Not that it matters what denomination it is as long as you like it. I happen to think it's great.
     
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  21. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Also, the version at archive.org is the original, in Greek. I prefer the online translated version. What with my not knowing Greek and all!
     
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