My first Etruscan coins...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Prokles, May 25, 2016.

  1. Prokles

    Prokles Well-Known Member

    I am happy to share with you my two first Etruscan coins (recently won at Baldwin's last auction).
    It was a long time ago that I was looking for a coin of Populonia (with an interesting pedigree): POPULONIA_XX_asses.jpg
    Etruria, Populonia (c.300-250 BC), Silver 20-Asses, facing head of Metus, hair bound with a diadem, X:X below, rev traces of a legend (‘poplv’) (?), 8.50g (EC Series 37.241 (661) (O1), this coin; Sambon 59.1; Vecchi, SNR 69, 1990, 13 & 53; HN Italy 142). Oval flan, iridescent cabinet tone, very fine.

    Pedigree: ex Adolphe Menjou collection, Kreisberg & Schulman, New York, 25-26 January 1957, lot 2765/6 (part)


    The second coin was not 'premeditated' but rather a last minute decision:

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    Etruria, Uncertain mint (c.300-250 BC), Æ Uncia, wheel of six spokes, pellet in field, rev anchor, pellet o n left, Etruscan C on right, 8.12g (Sambon 106a; Vicari, RIN XCIII, 1991, 226a; Vecchi 154; HN Italy 67). Dark green patina, about very fine and rare.

    Pedigree: ex Naville XII, 18-23 October 1926, lot 62 (part) ex Lockett collection, Greek (Part I), Glendining’s, 25 October 1955, lot 29 (part) £120-160


    Feel free to post your etruscan coins.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Both are interesting, but the Populonia is my favorite. The pedigree's of both are impressive.
     
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  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Fantastic!!! I'm still missing any of these....hopefully not for much longer.
     
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  5. Prokles

    Prokles Well-Known Member

    Thanks!

    I am attracted by coins with pedigree. I like to know as much as possible about the second life of my coins... (I am also more confident about their authenticity, especially for the bronze coins of Sicily...)

    I hope you'll catch one! The 20-asses of Populonia are quite common. I seize the opportunity of this auction with a large selection of etruscan coins. The more coins of a type during a sale, higher is the chance to catch one (at a decent price).
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congratulations @Prokles ! I bid on several Etruscans with Baldwin, but my bids were not enough. Looks like you got one! I loved the story behind Metus, and the Etruscan heritage... I want one of those 20 Asses Coins!

    At the recent NAC Auction I was able to capture an Etruscan. I am really glad I got this one due to the excellent provenance, the denomination, and the rarity. I actually enjoy collecting pre-bronze Sestertii (sliver), as they are tiny coins. Although this one seems not to be CALLED a Sestertius, it is the same denomination and size of the Roman version that comes a little later...

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    Etruria, Populonia
    2 ½ asses , AR 0.85 g
    3rd century BC
    Obv: Radiate female head r.; behind, CII.
    Rev: Blank.
    Ref: EC 104 (misdescribed, Female head with an Attic helmet). Historia Numorum Italy 179.
    NAC Comment: Of the highest rarity, apparently only the second specimen known. Dark patina and about very fine.
    Ex: From the collection of E.E. Clain-Stefanelli
    (@ancientcoinguru further pointed out and had me further research E.E. Clain-Stefanelli's excellent provenance...
    ANS Executive Director Ute Wartenburg reported that Elvira Eliza Clain-Stefanelli died Oct. 1, 2001. Mrs. Stefanelli retired in 2000 as the Senior Curator of the National Numismatic Collection in the Numismatics Division of the National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC. She was at the Smithsonian for forty years, and was responsible with her husband Vladimir for organizing and building up the National Numismatic Collection (from 60,000 to over 1,000,000 pieces.) She survived a Nazi concentration camp in WWII Europe, moved to Rome, and learned numismatics there. In New York she and her husband worked for Stack's and started the Coin Galleries division there. Her most recent publication was "Life In Republican Rome On its Coinage", a lavishly illustrated discussion of the themes which appear on the coinage of the Roman Republic, published in 1999. Her major contribution to the science of numismatic literature was her classic "Numismatic Bibliography", published in 1985.
     
  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Man I need an Etruscan coin. All of these are like crazy rare. Maybe someday I will be able to wrap up this very long list, but that doesn't seem likely.
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    They may indeed be rare but there has been quite a number of them at auction in the last year. Was a hoard recently found, or old collection disbursed?

    One of my dream coins is an Etrurian. The odds of me being able to find or afford it are very low :(
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I agree... Did not see them, then, POOF, some large offerings. I think mine was the only one on NAC, but Baldwin had a slew of them. Unfortunately, I was a terrible bidder there! :(
     
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  10. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Both are neat coins, congrats.
     
  11. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Congrats to @Prokles and @Alegandron for your recent Etruscan wins....awesome coins!!

    Here's a struck issue from Etruria I don't think I have shown before:
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    240-225 BC
    Uncertain of Etruria
    AE Uncia (struck issue) 9.01gm - 22 mm
    Obv: Six spoked rim, 1 pellet
    Rev: Bipennis, 1 pellet
    Reference: Vecchi ICC 170b
     
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  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

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  13. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Great coins, Prokles. Congratulations! I can't speak to any glut of Etruscan coins on the market, but I do know that the coins in the Baldwin's sale were from an old collection formed in the late 1950's. I was fortunate to acquire a nice-quality, old-provenance (1959) Aes Grave Quadrans in this sale from the same collection.
     
  14. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    @Carausius welcome to CoinTalk Ancients! Please show us your quadrans when you receive it...I love aes grave! Recently won a Tuder sextans and a quincunx of Luceria.
     
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  15. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Welcome @Carausius !!! I'd LOVE to see what you have !!!
     
  16. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Here is my Aes Grave Quadrans, ex Baldwin's 4 May 2016 and privately acquired from Baldwins in December 1959. This is the auction photo. Like most Aes Grave, it looks considerably better in hand. It's tough to capture high relief coins without focus-stacking.
     

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  17. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Georgeous coin!
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well done!
     
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  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Stunning coin @Carausius Also welcome to CT!
     
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  20. Prokles

    Prokles Well-Known Member

    I don't know but two important collections were sold this year (Baldwin's 99 and Roma Auction X with the VCV collection).
     
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  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The VCV collection must be what I'm remembering.
     
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