My, Carausius, what a long neck you have...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by thejewk, Mar 1, 2021.

  1. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    I'm constantly on the lookout for Carausius' coins, but find myself passing on them when they appear most of the time because it's quite rare for the quality and cost ratio to hit my personal sweet spot. I have wanted a good long-necked portrait variety for some time also, so was pleased when I was the only bidder on this coin last week.

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    RIC V2 475
    IMP C CARAVSIVS PF AVG
    PAX AVG
    S/P//-
    25x23mm, 4.44g

    Along with the vast majority of Carausius' coinage, this features Pax on the reverse, but overall I think it's a really well rendered coin, and other than the die break on his rather thick and long neck, and the surface roughness that I think is as much to do with corrosion as it is to do with the original state of the flan, it's in a pretty good condition and is rather nicer in the hand too.

    Please share your usurpers, long necks, or anything else you fancy.
     
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  3. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Long neck coin produced by the London mint.

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    Carausius, Antoninianus, RIC V (2), No. 475:

    Obverse depiction: draped, radiate, bust.
    Inscription: IMP C CARAVSIVS PF AVG

    Reverse depiction: Pax standing left, holding olive branch in right hand
    Peripheral Inscription: PA - X - AVG | S .....P (left and right)
     
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  4. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    That's a very nice Carausius, I really like the portrait. I can share this Probus with an unnecessarily long neck.

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    Probus, Antoninianus (23 mm, 3.65 g), Rome, 276. Radiate and cuirassed bust of Probus to r./ Rev.FIDES MILIT / XXIЄ Fides standing l., holding long scepter in her r. hand and transverse signum with her l. RIC 151 var.
     
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  5. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Very nice Probus indeed, @Shea19!
     
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  6. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Very nice “twin” Carausius to mine @thejewk - and thanks for reminding me that the personification of Pax on the reverse is supporting a scepter with her left hand. I am not sure that it is a die break on the neck of Carausius or a prominent vein on his neck depicted by this very skilled die engraver (note the nicely depicted beard).
     
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  7. Severus Alexander

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    Great long-necked portrait! Carausius often has a long neck at London, but not always:

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    RIC 101, no field marks, ML in ex. (London)

    The long necks on some tetrarchal portraits have suggested to some that the Carausius die engravers continued to work in London:
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    Constantius I as Caesar, London unmarked follis, CT
    2.01.010, ex @jamesicus!
     
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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Thank you SA , good additional comment.

    Thank you for posting that SA - I should have never let that coin go :( but I am happy it found a home with you! It does appear that some of the original Carausian engravers perpetuated their long neck portrait style as they were intermingled with the Lugdunese die engravers who accompanied the Constantius invasion (of Britain) force.
     
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  10. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Similarly, the British coin engravers often depicted the antoniniani portraits of Allectus with long necks (although not quite as pronounced?):

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    Allectus, Antoninianus, RIC V (2), No. 33:

    Obverse depiction: cuirassed, radiate bust.
    Inscription: IMP C ALLECTVS P F AVG

    Reverse depiction: Pax standing left, holding olive branch in right hand and supporting scepter with left hand.

    Inscription: PA - X - AVG ..... S - A, left and right, M L in reverse exergue.

    London mint
    5.1 gm.
     
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  11. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the responses everyone.

    I am really looking forward to seeing how the new RIC volume reasons out the chronology of the coins of Carausius. Why no ML in the exergue of this substantial issue? If myself, Jamesicus and Bing each have one, and at least six of the type have sold in the last year at auction, it certainly wasn't a fluke.
     
  12. Tasciovanus76

    Tasciovanus76 New Member

    I read this post with interest whilst researching a coin I was recently fortunate enough to find. I believe it to be a similar example but can anyone tell me what's happened to the reverse? 20201218_104847.jpg 20201218_104830.jpg
     
  13. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Looks like a double strike (or less likely an overstrike)! A nice coin!
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Wow. Great giraffe-necks all around.
     
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  15. Tasciovanus76

    Tasciovanus76 New Member

    Thank you for your help. What is the difference between a double strike and an over strike?
     
  16. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    A double strike is when the coin shifts and is re-struck with the same die. An over strike is when coins are recycled and an existing coin is struck with a new die. Pax was a popular reverse, wine is limiting my ability to tell.
     
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  17. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Fantastic coin! It's unusual to find ones that are in such nice condition, with silvering and such a clear double-strike
     
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  18. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    That's a great coin @Tasciovanus76 and the double strike adds to the interest for me.
     
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  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I never understood the long-neck fascination. In fact, I don't understand the wide-necks either.



    Not only does Aurelian have a long neck, it's a pencil one too:
    Aurelian Milan RIC 135 (2020_11_18 03_38_31 UTC).JPG


    And here's my man going to the moon with his neck.
    Aurelian Denarius RIC 73.jpg
     
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