My Aes Rude - or Am I Rude?

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  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, lovit! 6 Daughters...do you know HOW many times I have heard that??? :D
     
  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    You are probably on a list now lol :D
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Wow. It's nice to be on somebody's list and not their "s" list.
     
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  6. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    Great find Bing but the Italians made them in the hundred thousands to skewer the barbarians with so they don't care much about them as much as artworks....
     
  7. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Lots of replies but only two examples posted, so I thought that I would add my Aes Rude.
    Magical Snap - 2015.10.06 14.11 - 266.jpg
     
  8. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Bing - I just heard a siren go past my house. I think that they were headed your way. Would you like me to hold onto those (for you?) - Just jealous.
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Your Aes Rude looks great! You have a Moon Rock like me! Size and weight?
     
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  10. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Thanks, Alegandron. This one measures 19 mm x 6 mm and it weighs 8.91 gm.
    It was purchased from a reputable U.S. dealer.
    I do have a number of examples of 'Proto' money including 'Dolphins' Celtic 'Rings', 'Wheels', 'Arrow' points, 'Cowrie' shells, 'Balls', and so on.
     
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  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Great write-up and rockoin. I'm curious as to the value these pieces had in their era. In trade would you expect to get a large vessel of wine or just a pull off of the jug?
     
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  12. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Were I to have been around in those days I would have asked for the large vessel, but probably 'settled' for a 'pull' off of the jug.

    The only information I have is that they were used in a 'bartering' situation.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I understand it was barter by weight. I do not know the weight value for respective goods. However, if you think about it: raw bronze could be melted to create various implements for farming or war. Ergo, there is a built-in intrinsic value of bronze to other goods. I figure there is a "cost" of casting, so that may be imputed when trading for chickens or an iugerum of land... I have been very curious what the weights of Aes Rude for goods were in trade.
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I chose my Aes Rude that I OP above at around 31g as it was a around and a little more than the Aes Grave Uncia weight of 27g (Libral Standard). I wondered what an Uncia purchased? ...
     
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  15. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I have seen the subject of buying power of ancient coins discussed several times. I have a book with Selections from the Numismatist on Ancient and Medieval Coins. It has an article from 1916 on the subject of prices. Edward Newell quoted Pliny (a Roman historian) that in 250 BC, one As, about 300 grams of bronze, would buy one of the following:
    a modius (18.5 quarts) of wheat
    a measure of wine
    10 pounds of oil
    12 pounds of meat
    30 pounds of dry figs
    When I googled the following phrase "The purchasing value of coins of the classic period Edward Newell" I found the article on line at:
    http://www.mocavo.com/The-Numismatist-Volume-Xxix/887035/220
    I am sure I have a more recent book, but alas it is buried somewhere in my treasures room.
     
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  16. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    On the subject of RR coins, were you able to add anything to your collection in the Agora auction that ended today, @Alegandron ? I saw you were bidding on at least one of the lots I was considering but I decided to back off and focus on a few more.
     
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  17. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I think Aes Rude traded for its metal value. I have a couple of bronze items that fit in the time period, but are formed. Bronze Knife.JPG Bronze Knife side view.JPG
    piece of a bronze knife
    aes formatum bronze knucklebone Artemide Antiquities 1 12 8 12 lot 170.jpg
    bronze Knucklebone or astragalus this was a gaming piece or used for divination (casting lots)
     
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  18. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I wanted the lot of 7 cut aes rude a couple of auctions ago, but alas I was #2 bidder.
     
  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Yes, won the Litra. And thank you.
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice!
     
  21. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Love the astragalus @rrdenarius; I want one of those! Here is my aes rude (I'm a rotten photographer, so it is a bit blurry): Aes Rude001.jpg
     
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