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<p>[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 1187720, member: 15929"]After much anticipation, the bullion piece arrived today.</p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-A.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>In the above photo, I could not help but notice the surface disturbances on the lower left of Washington's Bust. The scope revealed this:</p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-B.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Whew! For a minute I thought I'd received one with gouges! As it turned out, these are actually in relief on the bust. The closest I could come to describing it is possible rust spots or some other type of damage that created these pitts in the die.</p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-D.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Continuing around the coin looking for more evidence of this phenomonon (remember, each of these dies is not produced using a Master Hub but are machined directly onto the die face), I saw this:</p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-E.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-F.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>The lettering on these coins is <b>incused</b> and often times give the appearance of being a doubled die when they are actually some type of machine doubling. Normally I would credit this to machine doubling if it were not for the obvious <b>splits in the serifs</b>. For this, I would have to conclude a double struck piece UNLESS the machining process used to create the dies does a second or subsequent trace to bring of the details (which doesn't make any sense) in which case it would be an incused doubled die.</p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-H.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-I.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-J.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-12-13.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Thoughts?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 1187720, member: 15929"]After much anticipation, the bullion piece arrived today. [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-A.jpg[/IMG] In the above photo, I could not help but notice the surface disturbances on the lower left of Washington's Bust. The scope revealed this: [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-B.jpg[/IMG] Whew! For a minute I thought I'd received one with gouges! As it turned out, these are actually in relief on the bust. The closest I could come to describing it is possible rust spots or some other type of damage that created these pitts in the die. [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-D.jpg[/IMG] Continuing around the coin looking for more evidence of this phenomonon (remember, each of these dies is not produced using a Master Hub but are machined directly onto the die face), I saw this: [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-E.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-F.jpg[/IMG] The lettering on these coins is [B]incused[/B] and often times give the appearance of being a doubled die when they are actually some type of machine doubling. Normally I would credit this to machine doubling if it were not for the obvious [B]splits in the serifs[/B]. For this, I would have to conclude a double struck piece UNLESS the machining process used to create the dies does a second or subsequent trace to bring of the details (which doesn't make any sense) in which case it would be an incused doubled die. [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-H.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-I.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-J.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u8/lcl1119/ATB/Yellowstone/2011-PYellowstone5ozBullion-12-13.jpg[/IMG] Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
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