Multiple coins, same die

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JustMyType, May 5, 2016.

  1. JustMyType

    JustMyType New Member

    Does anybody place a premium on having multiple coins that were struck from the same die?


    For example, I just picked up three 1955-S cents which all share the same reverse die. I know this because all three coins share very pronounced, identical, die polish lines.


    I didn't pay any extra (they were not being sold as a set). I just got them as an artifact of the minting process.


    Thanks for any comments/views.
     
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  3. noname

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  4. Thomas56

    Thomas56 New Member

    Thanks for any comments/views.
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Just a neat curiosity to me. With enough coins you can track die states. Perhaps more interesting is a progression of die breaks or struck thru errors. Unless major, even these do not seem to have much extra value but higher interest to collectors.

    One useful thing about matching die states is you can often tell if a roll of coins is original and not put together.:)
     
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  6. noname

    noname Well-Known Member

    What?
     
  7. JustMyType

    JustMyType New Member

    I can't post pics right now (I'm not at home)

    My question was really more in the general sense, not for these coins specifically. There is nothing intrinsically special about a few 1955 S cents.

    I'm drawing a bead on another set of four coins all with die polish lines that are clearly identical. I'm just wondering if there is any motive to keep them together as a set?
     
  8. JustMyType

    JustMyType New Member

    You make a good point about verifying that a roll is original.

    The odds of 50 coins from a high mintage issue coming back together in a roll are pretty slim if they didn't all start out together.
     
  9. JustMyType

    JustMyType New Member

    I guess for very low mintage coins, every die pairing gets scrutinized. That would also make it easier to match up multiple coins from the same set of dies.


    For high mintage coins like Lincoln cents, if the coins didn't stay together from the start, they would have to have a pretty pronounced defect like die doubling, or a cud, in order to notice that multiple coins shared the same die.
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @JustMyType
    I would think if there was a PUP (Pick-up Point) like the polishing marks that didn't represent more than one die state, then the coins wouldn't be worth much unless another collector had coins with the same PUP representing a different die state.

    For example, I have about three dozen GA SQ's that all have the same kidney-shaped die chip on Washington's neck. These coins also have a particular die crack that begins on the base of the neck at the designer's initials (Die State #1) and extends, both, to the left and to the right in various stages that represent Die State #2-Die State #6.

    Regardless, these coins I have would still only be worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

    Chris
     
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  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Personally, I would not pay any premium for them
     
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    The unfortunate fact is that most anything can bring additional premiums if to the "right" (meaning "wrong") buyer, but generally speaking, a few 55-S cents (or other still extremely common coins) displaying nothing truly noteworthy, no...
     
  13. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    I do not know much about dies, but I think that's cool, I would pay a bit more than normal (I do not know how much)
     
  14. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    IMHO it would make for an interesting project for someone in a coin club, in particular a newbie, and if done properly would also make for a good learning tool, and help others learn more about the minting process.
     
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  15. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    It would depend on the variety (die pair) and if you had several coins that showed a progression of the die state.
     
  16. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    I not only would, but I have paid a premium for a later die state example of a coin from this die.
    O-106 obverse die
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    O-127 same obverse die--different reverse die
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    The second die pair is worth about 5 and a half times the first in the same grade.
     
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  17. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Double post
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2016
  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    In some cases, sure... but we're talking about 55-S cents displaying nothing more than polishing here. Anyone paying a premium based solely upon that is, and with all due respect, a fool.
     
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  19. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    At the other end of the spectrum this obverse
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    paired with this reverse die is about a 500 coin in AU.
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    However, the same obverse die paired with this reverse
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    would be about 70 thousand dollars in AU. (By the way, I DO NOT own the later pairing)
     
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