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<p>[QUOTE="svessien, post: 4524332, member: 15481"]From what I can see on the internet, it’s a beautiful mountain:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1120893[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>It also looks like a long, but technically easy hike/climb, with no actual climbing before the last 50-70 meters. I read a blog about the hike. The author turned around at about 3870m, probably a wise decision. Although not technically difficult, the slopes of this mountain has treacherous loose terrain.</p><p><a href="https://medium.com/@tarek.saber.se/climbing-mount-erciyes-erciyes-dağı-6d5a6bde3b7b" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://medium.com/@tarek.saber.se/climbing-mount-erciyes-erciyes-dağı-6d5a6bde3b7b" rel="nofollow">https://medium.com/@tarek.saber.se/climbing-mount-erciyes-erciyes-dağı-6d5a6bde3b7b</a></p><p><br /></p><p>It seems the terrain is quite loose in summer. It’s probably a nicer winter climb, with a possible ski ascent and descent. Here are summer and winter routes:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]1120891[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1120892[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Mountains that are this accessible have usually had their first ascent way back in time, and have heroic and tragic histories attached to this. As for Mt. Erciyes, it is said that a young couple fell in love, and the young man asked her father for his daughters hand in marriage. The father, head of the local village, granted this, provided that the young man would kill the dragon residing in Mt. Erciyes (or perhaps Mt. Argaeus at that time). The young man set out to do this, of course (which young man wouldn’t slay a dragon for his beloved?), but Cis Hatun, the young woman, followed. She wore a white veil of marriage as a sign of her dedication for the young man.</p><p><br /></p><p>As they came near the summit, the dragon attacked them with fire. They tried to flee, but the young man fell and slid. Cis tried to catch him and stop his fall, but despite their desperate struggle, they both fell into the dragons fire that was running down the mountain. The white veil of Cis Hatun was all that was be left of them, and this veil would from that day cover the mountain top, creating a white snow cap that would be there all year around.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ancient historians like Strabo, and also later historians, have reported volcanic activity and eruptions from the mountain, but modern geologists consider that:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>«The occurrence of volcanic activity in historical times is not clear; <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo" rel="nofollow">Strabo</a> (63 <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ" rel="nofollow">BC</a>–21 <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD" rel="nofollow">AD</a>) and <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_Claudianus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_Claudianus" rel="nofollow">Claudius Claudianus</a> (370–410 AD) report volcanic activity,<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78" rel="nofollow">[77]</a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Strabo-13" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Strabo-13" rel="nofollow">[13]</a> and <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_coin" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_coin" rel="nofollow">Roman coins</a> found in Cappadocia show the mountain smoking,<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Schumacher1996-112" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Schumacher1996-112" rel="nofollow">[111]</a> but these reports may instead refer to swamp gas release in the Sultansazlığibasin<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78" rel="nofollow">[77]</a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-GVP-2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-GVP-2" rel="nofollow">[2]</a> and Strabo's reports appear to refer to fires in swamps.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019266-111" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019266-111" rel="nofollow">[110]</a> If volcanic activity occurred during historical times, it probably occurred on a <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_vents" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_vents" rel="nofollow">parasitic vent</a>, as the principal cone is heavily eroded.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Pinar-Erdem1977-113" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Pinar-Erdem1977-113" rel="nofollow">[112]</a>» (Wikipedia)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>The legend of Cis Hatun and her lover may therefore be older than the Turkish name of the characters, it may even date back to the time that the mountain was named:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>«Erciyes was historically known as Argaeus<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3" rel="nofollow">[3]</a> or Argaios,<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019264-4" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019264-4" rel="nofollow">[4]</a> a name either derived from the king of <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon" rel="nofollow">Macedon</a> <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argaeus_I" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argaeus_I" rel="nofollow">Argaeus I</a> (678 – 640 <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ" rel="nofollow">BC</a>)<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3" rel="nofollow">[3]</a> or meaning "bright" or "white» (Wikipedia)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, and coins, coins, ummm... Great coins everybody!</p><p>I have a couple too. Haven’t gotten around to photographing them yet, sorry. (I keep saying that )</p><p>Thank you very much to [USER=99456]@Sulla80[/USER] for yet another inspiring write-up!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1120896[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1120897[/ATTACH]</p><p>Gordian III and Shapur I.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="svessien, post: 4524332, member: 15481"]From what I can see on the internet, it’s a beautiful mountain: [ATTACH=full]1120893[/ATTACH] It also looks like a long, but technically easy hike/climb, with no actual climbing before the last 50-70 meters. I read a blog about the hike. The author turned around at about 3870m, probably a wise decision. Although not technically difficult, the slopes of this mountain has treacherous loose terrain. [URL]https://medium.com/@tarek.saber.se/climbing-mount-erciyes-erciyes-dağı-6d5a6bde3b7b[/URL] It seems the terrain is quite loose in summer. It’s probably a nicer winter climb, with a possible ski ascent and descent. Here are summer and winter routes: [ATTACH]1120891[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1120892[/ATTACH] Mountains that are this accessible have usually had their first ascent way back in time, and have heroic and tragic histories attached to this. As for Mt. Erciyes, it is said that a young couple fell in love, and the young man asked her father for his daughters hand in marriage. The father, head of the local village, granted this, provided that the young man would kill the dragon residing in Mt. Erciyes (or perhaps Mt. Argaeus at that time). The young man set out to do this, of course (which young man wouldn’t slay a dragon for his beloved?), but Cis Hatun, the young woman, followed. She wore a white veil of marriage as a sign of her dedication for the young man. As they came near the summit, the dragon attacked them with fire. They tried to flee, but the young man fell and slid. Cis tried to catch him and stop his fall, but despite their desperate struggle, they both fell into the dragons fire that was running down the mountain. The white veil of Cis Hatun was all that was be left of them, and this veil would from that day cover the mountain top, creating a white snow cap that would be there all year around. Ancient historians like Strabo, and also later historians, have reported volcanic activity and eruptions from the mountain, but modern geologists consider that: [I]«The occurrence of volcanic activity in historical times is not clear; [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo']Strabo[/URL] (63 [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ']BC[/URL]–21 [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD']AD[/URL]) and [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_Claudianus']Claudius Claudianus[/URL] (370–410 AD) report volcanic activity,[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78'][77][/URL][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Strabo-13'][13][/URL] and [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_coin']Roman coins[/URL] found in Cappadocia show the mountain smoking,[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Schumacher1996-112'][111][/URL] but these reports may instead refer to swamp gas release in the Sultansazlığibasin[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTE%C5%9EenK%C3%BCrkc%C3%BCo%C4%9FluAydarGourgaud2003244-78'][77][/URL][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-GVP-2'][2][/URL] and Strabo's reports appear to refer to fires in swamps.[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019266-111'][110][/URL] If volcanic activity occurred during historical times, it probably occurred on a [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_vents']parasitic vent[/URL], as the principal cone is heavily eroded.[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-Pinar-Erdem1977-113'][112][/URL]» (Wikipedia)[/I] The legend of Cis Hatun and her lover may therefore be older than the Turkish name of the characters, it may even date back to the time that the mountain was named: [I]«Erciyes was historically known as Argaeus[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3'][3][/URL] or Argaios,[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kaya%C3%87inerZreda%C5%9Een2019264-4'][4][/URL] a name either derived from the king of [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon']Macedon[/URL] [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argaeus_I']Argaeus I[/URL] (678 – 640 [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Christ']BC[/URL])[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erciyes#cite_note-FOOTNOTESar%C4%B1kayaZreda%C3%87iner20092328-3'][3][/URL] or meaning "bright" or "white» (Wikipedia)[/I] Yes, and coins, coins, ummm... Great coins everybody! I have a couple too. Haven’t gotten around to photographing them yet, sorry. (I keep saying that ) Thank you very much to [USER=99456]@Sulla80[/USER] for yet another inspiring write-up! [ATTACH=full]1120896[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1120897[/ATTACH] Gordian III and Shapur I.[/QUOTE]
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