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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1410495, member: 112"]Whether you realize it or not Paul these coins are so common that they most often treated as nothing more than hunks of bullion. So yes, it is not only very plausible it is very likely that they would be run through counting and rolling machines.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>None of them show them going in multiple directions, and I never claimed that they did. But if you look at the marks on all the coins they are all very similar in spacing - the distances between the marks in other words. No I am not saying the spacing is all the same, on the contrary, the spacing between the marks on each individual coin vary greatly. Some have a wide space between them and some have a very narrow space between them - on a single coin. THAT is the similarity I am talking about. On each individual coin we see the same thing - wide and narrow spaces between the marks or lines. And that includes the coin which has the marks going in 4 directions. Do you not agree that the marks on that coin are very similar to the marks on all the other coins in regard to the spacing between the marks ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Ahhh, so you have changed now. earlier you said that it was merely a theory that they might be roller marks. Now it's an absolute fact. And you know this how ? And exactly how can you prove it ? I suggest that you don't <u>know</u> anything of the kind Paul, you merely have an opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>edit - As for posting more and more coins, it doesn't change my mind. There is a primary difference between you and me Paul. I tend to keep an open mind, one that is open to all and any possibility. And yes, that includes the possibility that the marks were caused by a planchet roller. </p><p><br /></p><p>But apparently I know a few more things than you do, like how these coins are commonly bought and sold in bulk, in bags, and were for years, decades even. The same thing is true of much European gold. And the fact that they are indeed run through counting machines and rolling machines. So that means there is distinct possibility that the marks on the coins could easily have been caused by those machines.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am also aware that roller marks, or any marks on a planchet, are almost always completely obliterated when the coin is struck. Yes there are some times when a planchet mark can survive striking. But they are few and far between - surviving planchet marks are the exception rather than the rule.</p><p><br /></p><p>Open your mind Paul, consider ALL the possibilities and not just one or two of them. And that includes the possibility that there things you don't know.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1410495, member: 112"]Whether you realize it or not Paul these coins are so common that they most often treated as nothing more than hunks of bullion. So yes, it is not only very plausible it is very likely that they would be run through counting and rolling machines. None of them show them going in multiple directions, and I never claimed that they did. But if you look at the marks on all the coins they are all very similar in spacing - the distances between the marks in other words. No I am not saying the spacing is all the same, on the contrary, the spacing between the marks on each individual coin vary greatly. Some have a wide space between them and some have a very narrow space between them - on a single coin. THAT is the similarity I am talking about. On each individual coin we see the same thing - wide and narrow spaces between the marks or lines. And that includes the coin which has the marks going in 4 directions. Do you not agree that the marks on that coin are very similar to the marks on all the other coins in regard to the spacing between the marks ? Ahhh, so you have changed now. earlier you said that it was merely a theory that they might be roller marks. Now it's an absolute fact. And you know this how ? And exactly how can you prove it ? I suggest that you don't [U]know[/U] anything of the kind Paul, you merely have an opinion. edit - As for posting more and more coins, it doesn't change my mind. There is a primary difference between you and me Paul. I tend to keep an open mind, one that is open to all and any possibility. And yes, that includes the possibility that the marks were caused by a planchet roller. But apparently I know a few more things than you do, like how these coins are commonly bought and sold in bulk, in bags, and were for years, decades even. The same thing is true of much European gold. And the fact that they are indeed run through counting machines and rolling machines. So that means there is distinct possibility that the marks on the coins could easily have been caused by those machines. I am also aware that roller marks, or any marks on a planchet, are almost always completely obliterated when the coin is struck. Yes there are some times when a planchet mark can survive striking. But they are few and far between - surviving planchet marks are the exception rather than the rule. Open your mind Paul, consider ALL the possibilities and not just one or two of them. And that includes the possibility that there things you don't know.[/QUOTE]
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