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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1409922, member: 15309"]Without seeing the coin in hand, I don't have much confidence one way or the other that they are roller marks or PMD. They do appear too be to deep for roller marks, but they also lack the characteristic bridging that occurs at the junction of the fields and devices of PMD. Without seeing the coin in hand, it is impossible to tell for sure. Did NGC screw up? Maybe! Are they roller marks? Maybe!</p><p><br /></p><p>FWIW Doug, I believe you about the time frame of manually adjusting the weight of coins with a file and have already admitted so earlier in this thread. What I don't know is if every mint in the world stopped using that practice by 1900. As an analogy, I bet I can find a hotel somewhere that still uses hard keys even though the technology of electronic card keys has been available for 30 years. However, is it extremely unlikely that the Danish mint manually adjusted the weight of their coins in 1900? YES!</p><p><br /></p><p>And yes, I know that you specialized in world gold, specifically ducats. I don't doubt that you have a wealth of knowledge about the subject, but rather than coming off as the omniscient numismatist, simply take the time to explain why adjustment marks were necessary and what technological advance occurred in the early/mid 1800's that made them no longer necessary.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Oh I know you dare. In fact, your default position is always that they screwed up. I don't blindly accept what they have to say, but I do make a concerted effort to understand why they make the decisions that they do. And for the most part, I usually understand. In regards to the coin in question, without seeing the coin in hand, I have to assume they had a reason to grade a coin with such obvious marks. However, if the marks were made post strike, I would fully agree with you that they screwed up.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1409922, member: 15309"]Without seeing the coin in hand, I don't have much confidence one way or the other that they are roller marks or PMD. They do appear too be to deep for roller marks, but they also lack the characteristic bridging that occurs at the junction of the fields and devices of PMD. Without seeing the coin in hand, it is impossible to tell for sure. Did NGC screw up? Maybe! Are they roller marks? Maybe! FWIW Doug, I believe you about the time frame of manually adjusting the weight of coins with a file and have already admitted so earlier in this thread. What I don't know is if every mint in the world stopped using that practice by 1900. As an analogy, I bet I can find a hotel somewhere that still uses hard keys even though the technology of electronic card keys has been available for 30 years. However, is it extremely unlikely that the Danish mint manually adjusted the weight of their coins in 1900? YES! And yes, I know that you specialized in world gold, specifically ducats. I don't doubt that you have a wealth of knowledge about the subject, but rather than coming off as the omniscient numismatist, simply take the time to explain why adjustment marks were necessary and what technological advance occurred in the early/mid 1800's that made them no longer necessary. Oh I know you dare. In fact, your default position is always that they screwed up. I don't blindly accept what they have to say, but I do make a concerted effort to understand why they make the decisions that they do. And for the most part, I usually understand. In regards to the coin in question, without seeing the coin in hand, I have to assume they had a reason to grade a coin with such obvious marks. However, if the marks were made post strike, I would fully agree with you that they screwed up.[/QUOTE]
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