Most unusal1978 cent

I just read this whole thread and came to one conclusion....someone cloned jazzcoins!

 

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Rascal first took this coin to the CONECA Forum where he didn't find answers that satisfied him. So he took it to this site. It's clearly a case of post-strike damage for all the reasons that LostDutchman laid out.

 

Rascal,

Which expert would that be that you would contact?? You have had Mike Diamond (who I and countless other people consider one of the top error experts in the world) comment on your coin calling it PMD. You can't get an opinion from someone more qualified.

 

Matt has said in his post all that needs to be said about this coin.

 

The coin in question is PMD. No more.....No less.

 

Well since you have drug this out in the open then I will also tell you Mike was the expert that came right out and called my coin PMD from just looking at the photos of it and I never bothered him very much because I saw where he said he had said he had bad health problems. I have seen Mike make mistakes and he is just human like the rest of us and anyone can make a mistake. To be honest with you I have had more dealings with Mr. Wexler and have learned from him for the past 30 plus years . My most precious coin in my collection is a truely awesome foreign doubled die that John authenticated for me back somewhere around 1980 . I also have his hand signed signature and the papers still with the coin. This coin may not be worth much but it is a keepsake for me to remember my friend John by.

I asked John to take a look at my unusal coin and he said this type error should be looked at by Mike and you can see how Mike acted over it. I also apoligized to Mike on the Coneca for getting him upset. Now all of you can stop acting like I'm some small child any time you want to because I was probably collecting coins before some of you were even born'

and another thing for you folks that have been trying to run me off this forum you can just forget this ever happening unless the moderator throws me off or I decide to quit on my own.

I could come to Mikes rescue on the Coneca forum and help him but for some reason he don't appear to like me. actually Mike and me never could become very close friends. some folks just can not get along very well because of their many differences. I still think we could overcome this by letting bygones be bygones.

LD everyone of you that knows anything about coins should know who I am by now from reading my posts and you should also know that I know what I'm saying when it comes to coins and coin collecting and stop doubting what I say or you may end up with egg all over your face like has happened to others already .

I hope Mike a speedy recovery because I have been in poor health and in constant pain since 1977 and I think I know how it feels. I once was very ill towards everyone at first after a horrible accident in 77 but I have learned to keep it in a little bit .

LD if you will calm down we may all be able to learn new things through dedates instead of calling everything we see PMD. I am going to have to get a better system for getting coin photos. Troy W.

 

I also know Mr. Wexler as well and he is most definitely an expert... about varieties. While I'm sure he is knowledgeable about errors it is not what he is known for. You claim this coin to be an error which is not his specialty... it is Mike Diamonds.

I'm not worried about ending up with "egg on my face" because I know that I am absolutely correct about my assessment of your coin. My breakdown of your coin was not for your benefit or to change your mind... I honestly don't care what you think. It was so that people in the future don't read this thread and think that you are right.. because you are not... and with that I will no longer be responding to this topic I have said what I need to say and have proven my points in a technical and sound manor, you have not.

 

Your arguements are the same as jazzcoins were. Even when faced with an expert's opinion it was always "he's been known to make mistakes" but he never would concede that he might make a mistake once in a while. Are you SURE you aren't Jazzcoins?

 

I agree!!!

 

I hate to burst your teeny tiny little bubble but I have never heard of jazzcoins and have no idea who that is . A experts opinion is not worth a cent if they make a mistake in their opinion and a expert is not some kind of a God like some newbies think. They are normal folks like the rest of us . When I'm totally convinced of something like I am about this one I will stick by it. If any of you can prove how a coin can get distorted on the entire obverse as heavily as my coin and the reverse side reamains perfect and both sides still covered by the original mint luster then I will put the coin in the trash.until then I'm not interested in any more of your negative junk. Let's see you prove this by making me a coin just like this one without even a scratch on the reverse side , I know that many of you have wore your poor little fingers out by trying to beat up your coins and so far no one has come up with it.

 

See, there's the problem. Jazzcoins challenged me to duplicate something for him, just like you have challenged. Once I did it he came back and said it didn't matter, so I can't be bothered. You have been told by several people that know what they are talking about (not just one) but you refuse to accept any opinion but your own.

Richard

 

The end

 

Richard I have only been on here a short time and missed the jazzcoins thread and I'm very interested in seeing what he or she had on here. would you please give me the title of that thread ?

 

I don't have the title of the thread as it was some time ago but if you go into the members directory you can find jazzcoins and click on him. Reading some of his posts can be very educational as how NOT to act on a forum.

Richard

 

Thanks ZIGGY9 I went and found jazzcoins info. and I only read a couple ot his or her threads and didn't see anything very bad at all. what I did notice was what I thought may have been excessive posting. this person had authored 41 threads but maybe they have been on here a long time. Richard I think all of us could benefit from learning how to act on a forum and evertwhere else expessialy with our family members this includes me and you also and those that are only on here to be critics . How the heck is it going to hurt anyone regardless of what someone wants to show on here. The way I see it is that if you don't like a thread just keep passing it up the way I do.

Troy W.

 

Troy,
The problem with "passing by" threads that I feel are giving misinformation or poor information is that these posts are educational. If I see somthing that is incorrect and don't do anything to set it straight then I am partly responsible for that poor information being taken as fact by some noobie that comes on here for the first time. This forum is a community and as such we are all responsible for its content. I make sure that I don't post about something i am not sure about unless I am posting in the form of a question. If i find that I have posted in error I make sure that I go back and correct that error. I am passionate about my hobby and there are many here that can tell you that it has gotten me into trouble in the past. I have become much more conservative in my attempts to correct misinformation and often times I will overlook a thread, as I did this one until you started sounding eerily like Jazzcoins. I apologize for comparing you to him as he would have exploded in a rant by now. We can't all know everything, and that does include you, but when several people that are well respected in a particular field all agree then it may be time to listen to them.

Richard

 

As for Jazzcoins, you have to look at what he said in threads started by others, not threads started by him.

Richard

 

apoligy accepted and I agree with this post of yours . I also try to protect our hobby by trying to stop the thieves from selling fake and altered coins . I'm about 100% sure that if I could get better photos of this funky looking coin I found and showed on here that you would have to agree with me that it is just not a damaged coin . The only thing any of us can do with it right now is call it a unindentifable coin. IT would be impossible to truthfully call it as PMD without a guilty feeling. This includes me or any coin expert. One well known variety expert I talked to thru email said basically about the same thing , he said the US mint workers may be the only ones that could tell us what happened to this coin. I'm going to have to take a break and hopefully I may be able to talk to you some more later this evening.

 

For all of you folks that are bored with this thread then you don't have to read it , just pass it up and go to another one. I don't need all the negative feedback. I think this funky coin I have here deserves to be on here and it may turn out to be able to help us folks that are interested in learning more about error coins to learn something new. I can think of many different ways this could happened at the mint and I just thought about another thing and decided to mention it and you other folks that are interested can give me your opinions good or bad.

first off I'm about totally sure that it was struck thru a worn out late stage die cap. a die cap is when a coin becomes stuck onto a die and will not come off and keeps striking coins and acting like a die until it wears totally away.

I just happened to notice today that the bottom half of this unusal coin looks to be much more better struck and clearer than the top half. It is a very good possibility that the bottom half of the die cap finally came loose from the die and this opened the bottom half of the die up better. then just maybe fell off onto the top part of the planchet this coin was made from and got struck into the planchet by the die.

has anyone noticed how much the deepest sunken in places looks part of the monticello building from the reverse side of a cent ? this goes all the way across Lincoln's head and get's thinner as it goes along..this could have happened the same way as a dropped letter occurs. I may be onto the right thing this time , only time will tell. I even saw a state quarter sell on Ebay not long ago where almost a entire die had become clogged and then came loose and got struck into the quarter.I wanted it but forgot to bid . you can ask any coin expert that really knows me and they will tell you that sooner or later I always find out the problems with error or variety coins no matter how hard they are to figure out.

Just like I told you non believers before this coin was definately damaged while it was still in the coining chamber and can be proven by numerous things.I know for a fact that the retaining collar was still in place . I'm calling this beauty RIPLEYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT. now it has a name.

 

I still don't buy it, Rascal. If it was damaged in the coining chamber, then how do you account for the fact that the damaged area at about 10:00 o'clock extends outside the perimeter of the rim?

By the way, you can't name it "RIPLEYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT" because that has already been copyrighted. Just like the "Bugs Bunny" Franklin, no grading service would allow that to be put on an insert for fear of being sued for copyright infringement.

Chris