Most unusal1978 cent

Really?? Are you some sort of detective? Or maybe its the name and websites in my signature that were your biggest clue. I have only mentioned you troling because your claim about this coin is silly...this is clearly a PMD coin... anyone with any understanding of the minting process can tell that this was done post mint.

Now to address what I think was supposed to be a threat..... I think...

When you get back to reality just remember... its just coins... have fun and enjoy it.

 

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I'm sorry if I worded my post wrong and I was not trying to make a threat against you. There for a few minutes I thought you may be my error coin collecting friend Kevin that lives at Indianapolis. This is the reason I told you my family lives near you is so you could recognise who I am if you was Kevin. I should have known you was not Kevin anyway from your posts. I am the one that has this coin in hand and all of you folks that are hollering PMD are only looking at my photos, so this does give me a unfair advantage over the rest of you. you are right this is just a coin and it's not worth anyone have a falling out over. If this coin is never declared a real mint error it will not bother me one way or the other and I will still keep it.. I have thousands of slabbed and unslabbed error and variety coins plus authenticated and slabbed discovery pieces and sure don't need anymore. This one may just remain as my favorite coin no matter which way the ball bounces.

 

looks like the 'error' was done after the coin was struck making it a 'damaged' coin.

 

Rascal,

You joined this forum in February, 2011 and have started a few threads asking about some of your coins. All was well until you started this thread.

Having been here for only two months, you started this thread on a negative note with "Anyone can call this PMD all they want to but I have collected and studied error and variety coins for at least 40 years and I'm almost totally sure this coin was done this way while it was still in the die.” You have not proven your 40 years of experience to me with this thread. What you have proven to me is that you a rude, arrogant and obnoxious person, not deserving of membership in this forum.

There are many knowledgeable people here. Most have been here for a very long time. Some could also be called “founding fathers” of this forum. Their knowledge shows in their many posts. They have given you their honest opinion of your coin. I believe them and I trust their opinions. You are not going to change anyone’s mind, especially with your poor opinion of the knowledge and skills of the other members of this forum.

I am offended by you. I’m sure others here are offended by you. I am embarrassed for you.

Your coin has severe post mint damage. Live with that fact. Spend the coin. End this.

 

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When I get to work tomorrow I will show why this coin could only be PMD... complete with pictures... I don't have the energy tonight...

Hopefully we can salvage some useful knowledge from this thread.

 

Thank you very much for these very kind words. You sure are doing this coin talk forum a great service.

 

Now this has to take the cake. I can't wait until tomorrow to see this. Talk about awesome it can't get any better. this has made my day so I'm signing off.

 

Ok,

I present my case as to why this is PMD. When I am done I want you to explain to us with all of your 40 years of error coin knowledge how this coin could possibly be an error in a very detailed manor. I have done so... now it's your turn.



#1 You can see here that the coin was struck normally in the collar. This is evident by the normally formed rim. Your claim that this coin was struck by a late stage die cap is not consistent because even coins struck with late stage die caps while in the collar still exhibit a raised rim. See the coin below that was struck by a die cap while in the collar note the rim is still present.


Also you can see the remnants of the smashed out rim at the very edge of your marks meaning that there was rim in place before the damage occurred. Also consistent with PMD.


#2 The depression clearly shows a pattern. I have owned many die caps over the years and every one I have ever owned... let alone seen... has been very smooth because the metal has been stretched out. I have seen struck fragments and bonded caps that have a layered look to them but never such a clearly defined pattern. Once again indicative of PMD.

#3 What caused these marks? It appears that whatever was used to cause this major depression also had a smaller effect on the field and liberty here as well. The letters of liberty are clearly damaged and distorted along with the underlying field meaning that there were there struck normally first and the damage was done later. If this was done during striking the letters would simply be weakly struck not damaged and flattened.

#4 This wave in the rim appears to have been caused by the same thing that caused the depression in the surface. This means that whatever caused this damage was not only touching the surface of the coin but also overlapping the rim of the coin... basically something laying on the top of the coin. Once again also we see damaged and flattened letters... caused by....PMD.

 

Thanks LostDutchman for hanging in here with me. this is the only way we can ever learn anything new is by debate. I don't blame any of you for calling my coin PMD because all you have to go by is my bad photos. in this one area is a super thin part of the rim that is still there and it is standing straight up like the rest of the rim.If this coin had not still been in the collar when this happened this part could not still be there after the other metal right beside it got pushed down so far. This coin does have things that tries to indicate PMD but it more things that says it is not PMD. Like where it still has about all of it's red and brown original mint luster and the reverse side of it is totally undamaged , not even one letter on the reverse side shows a scratch or anything on it. Please explain to me how the reverse side can be totally undamaged if it was not still on the reverse coin die. no one can truthfully explain this unless they want to say the coin was ground off with a grinder and this is not the case here.

The only way me or anyone else could call this one PMD is if it had been ground off by something or someone. If something hit the coin this hard without the back of it not being supported by the reverse die the reverse side of the coin would definately have to show at least a tiny bit if damage.

There are lots of different possibilites that I can think of to cause this but I just can't nail it down yet. another possibility I thought of this morning was that just maybe the die struck the coin then for some reason it didn't get ejected out and just maybe some type of foreign object entered the coining chamber and ended up getting struck into the obverse of the coin.anything can happen. I have even saw coins that had been struck thru cloth and authenticated,imagine that . This coin sure is a real mystery and the mystery may never be solved.

another thing that says this is not PMD is the fact that where the severely damaged area is the coin is not squashed out of round at all. I have experimented with many coins during my years of learning how to detect altered coins and every one i have seen with pushed in damage are pushed way out of shape and much larger in diameter because the downward force makes the soft coin metal slide over because they didn't have the retaining collar around them to stop this. my coin is actually smaller in diameter in this area,using a little common sense what does this tell us?

another sure thing that proves this coin was not hit with something or ground off by something after it left the mint is the fact that where the top of the date is missing a small lump of raised up metal is still there right where the top of the 8 or maybe 6 is supposed to be. IT would be impossible for anyone to grind off the date or push it down without removing this little lump of copper. also this area has 100% of the original mint luster on and around the date. I'm going to add a photo of the date and hopefully everyone can see this. look where the red arrow is pointing.

I don't feel bad at anyone for disagreeing with my opinions , this is what makes our nation so great. If everyone agreed with everyone eise that would not be very good.

 

Good job, LD. However, it's like trying to teach a pig to dance. You're wasting your time and it annoys the pig.

 

Ouch!

 

A dead horse will not run no matter how hard you whip him.

 

Wooow! You know what, I think this guy (rascal) is intentionally living up to his name. I'm a newbie and gee even I get it. Its been descent enough you all giving him the time of day as you have. But hey thanks for even teachin me a thing or two...maybe your efforts to teach haven't been in vain after all. Thanks!

 

This coin talk forum sure is chock full of really civilized and caring individuals. I bet the moderators is proud to have such a upstanding and helpful group, but then again maybe I'm just wrong . LOL

 

Yes, Rascal, you're the only one that is right and the rest of the world is wrong. Someday they'll learn, though. Someday. At least you have hope on your side. Why don't you put it up on eBay?

 

For you folks that don't know much about damaged coins or intentionally altered coins so they can be sold by thieves as mint errors I'm putting photos of one on here. This also shows one of about a dozen reasons I'm so sure my oddball coin is most likely not a altered or just a after mint damaged coin. someone said a piece of leather could be used to protect the other side of the coin from damage if someone wanted to damage only one side.I did a test and looks like I proved this would not work, this one had leather under it and as you can see the leather did partially protect some of the details on the reverse but look how wide this pushed the memoral building out and now the coin is larger in diameter than a undamaged one. If anyone buys a error coin that is wider than normal unless it is a well known error coin it is mostlikely a fake.

As all of you already know my unusal coin is perfect condition on the reverse side and heavily distorted on the obverse. I will keep on believing it is a true mint until someone can be able to prove me wrong by making a duplicate of it that is similar without using anything such as sandpaper or a grinder to remove the metal and send it to me so I can look at it in hand.. My photos does not show all of the distorted places on the unusal coin . look at the area where Lincoln's ear is supposed to be and you can see this area is pushed down on the back of his neck.

Out of all the ones I would actually call a expert that has seen these images of the coin have not declared it as PMD except one of them and he is sick right now so I will not blame him because I know what it is like to be in severe pain. Plus it is easy for any of us to pull the trigger to fast and make a simple mistake. I hope these images helps to keep some of you from buying the altered coins.
please remember the coin in these two photos is a after mint damaged coin and it was destroyed after getting the photos.

 

Rascal, you've been knocked out. Please fall down.

Everyone else, Let's not respond to anything more that this guy posts. If he can't sell tickets to his circus, he might fold up his tent.