Most unusal1978 cent

I was mistaken about when Rascal began any argument. It was actually in his original post that he wrote this:
"Anyone can call this PMD all they want to but I have collected and studied error and variety coins for at least 40 years and I'm almost totally sure this coin was done this way while it was still in the die."

In reading that line, I assumed that he didn't want any opinions, he only wanted congratulations on his finding the million dollar coin, and that no one here on CT had any more knowledge than he.

I am sorry if I misunderstood or offended.

 

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Hello there LostDutchman . Let's all try to get together and try to figure out what really happened to this coin and maybe all of us can learn something new from it.The reason you don't see all of IN GOD WE TRUST is the fact that this coin was struck with a late stage capped die. which means that part of another coin was stuck onto the die. the things you say convinces me evem more that this is a actual mint error and yes all of my photos are of the same coin.I would rather give you everything I have on earth rather than to tell you a lie. The reason you can not see the damaged area from the photos of the reverse side is the simple fact that the damaged looking area only goes down halfway of the rim.

this area shows what looks like part of a straight clip area halfway down the rim with the metal being pushed down into it and in this area the top half of the coin is smaller in diameter than the rest of the coin that's why you can not see it from the reverse. this coin does not show any scratches or signs of being ground off and none of the surface areas have been disturbed and are still covered with the original mint luster and has never been cleaned.

The best telling sign that this is not a altered coin is the fact that where the top of the 8 in the date is supposed to be is a small raised up place that looks like a die chip. if anything had removed the top of the 8 then it would be impossible for this to be there.another thing that indicates it is more likely a mint error is the fact that the coin is smaller in diameter where the deep sunken in areas are. If someone or something put enough pressure on the coin to do this without it being in the collar then this area would without a question have to be pushed way out of shape and making this area much larger in diameter.

I'm going to try to get everyone a photo of the edge of this coin where the sunken in lines are if I can get my old camera to work and you can see what I'm talking about.

I know this one may never be authenticated because of it being so unusal but it already has a good home with me.

 

I would say from the tenor of this thread, most all of us got together and figured out what really happened to this coin but someone of us has not learned anything new from it.

 

Maybe this photo will show you why you can not see this in my photos of the reverse side. as you can see in the photo the bottom part of a clip can easily be seen and this entire area is smaller in diameter than the reverse side of the coin. the upsitmill that puts the rim on the coins has also missed this area because it was too small in diameter for the upset mill and the coins rim is round instead of flat for a short distance. I'm not on here trying to get someone to agree with what I'm thinking and I don't care one way or the other what other folks opinions are. I'm just showing this coin because someone out there may appreciate seeing it.

 

I like the farthest one to the left in the first pic.... nice struck-thru lone photo

 

With this pic I can tell this is the same coin by the corrosion on the bottom reverse. The corrosion starts next to the N in one, compare the photo's...

 

So you are claiming that this coin struck through a late stage die cap and is also straight clipped? Do you know the odds of those 2 separate errors happening on a single coin?

Astronomical.

I feel that you are probably just trolling and will make an excuse not to take me up on the following offer... but with the outside chance that you are not I make this offer.

This will end this mess in a hurry... I will send the coin in for you free of charge to NGC... where it will definitely come back post mint damage. Send me the coin... I will send it in insured and the whole 9 yards and then we will all find out what most of us already know.

A little worried about sending the coin to a complete stranger? Understandable... I have dozens of people here who can vouch for me. I am BBB A+ accredited and a certified NGC dealer... I"m not going to risk any of that... trust me.

So that's the offer... take it or leave.

 

Thanks Abe for your post. What you noticed in the photo should prove to everyone that my photos are of the same coin. There are way too many error collectors on here that is too anxious to pull the trigger on anything and call it PMD. They need to learn to not butt heads with us old time error and variety collectors.This coin is definately a mint made error coin and has been struck thru some foreign object and maybe the rest of the obverse die was clogged up with something. The entire obverse of this coin is affected, even Lincon's nose and front half of his chin is totally deformed. the chin part that is left looks like Like a round ball . I told everyone numerous times I would have not have even looked at this coin if it had not still had it's original mint luster remaining.

 

LostDutchman I should not even bother with replying to your post but I will this time.I was not born yesterday and I have better sense than to let you or anyone else waste money on my coin by sending it to any grading company before it is determined exactly what it is. I don't have anything against NGC or any other third grading party but as you and everyone else already knows if something comes to them that is not something quite common and easily recognisable they always mark it as damaged and this would not tell us anything.

I talked to a well know error person last night by email and he appears to also think my coin has a chance of being real and he is just like me on it by saying the coins is so unusal it may never be able to get authenticated.I have told everyone this same thing he said before he told me this.

I have run into these hard to determine coins before and have almost always been able to figure them out over a period of time. The Minnesota quarter doubled die coins and the Oregon DDR quarters were two of them The Oregon ones were not as hard to identify as the Minnesota ones. Me and another error person finally found where the extra tree came from off the die.

We are still studying this coin so stop taking everything I say too heart. where I said it may be a struck on a end of the strip planchet may or may not be right. It's possible the clipped place could have been done by the collar , the planchet could have got caught on the collar and the die may have forced it down and could easily have sheared off part of the top of the planchet.This is well known info.As far as you thinking it would be hard for two different errors to appear that is very funny , anything can happen..... I have two different types of major variety coins that were made from the same Obverse die and this has been proven with a article wrote up about them.The reverse die may also be the same die but we can't find any good die markers to identify it but still looking. A lot of you also claimed this was impossible and I proved you wrong. I'll also prove you wrong this time , just give me some time. Don't butt heads with us old hounds.

as for you asking me to leave this makes me want to stay on here just to bother you. LOL

 

That's because it is PMD.

Why? You are wrong.

It is definitely not.

Like I thought you have an excuse to not take me up on my offer.... stop trolling.

 

Do you think it makes you look like some kind of a big hero to act like you are doing ? Go take a look in your mirror and you can see what a troll looks like.

I don't jump on anyones thread just to try to down them or their coins, This is the definition of a troll. I'm almost sure I know who you are and my family lives close to you.

 

I've looked at this coin about 20 times.

What are the reasons for being real??? It doesn't look real, and I am changing my original belief to thinking PMD

 

also, i thought a "clipped planchet" had to be a clean cut that is flat from the top of the rim to the bottom of the rim?

 

Your credibility rating is dropping down very fast with me . You have already been proven wrong once by trying to say that my photos of the obverse and reverse of my coin are not of the same coin. How many more times do you want everyone to see that you are wrong ? Go trolling some where else and find a different person to pick on.
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A "clipped planchet" is a coin that has had another coin punched out of its planchet... think eclipse.. that's what I could relate a clipped planchet to.

 

This will likely turn into the "How to tone coins" thread.

Why did you post this thread anyway if you say "I am not wrong".

 

Mark you definately are right about that . a normal clip is from top to bottom . there are also other ways a planchet can be clipped down to anywhere on the edge of the planchet , such as being punched out from a uneven end of a planchet strip or the planchet can also get caught on the top edge of the collar and forced down the collar by the die . this would put the planchet on a slant and the collar can slice part of it off on a slant. I'm sure all of you have seen many coins with this slanted cut on the edge if you have ever looked thru any rolls of coins. for all of you non believers you can see a photo on this thread that shows a part of the slanted clip that is left showing on my coin. some of the clip got covered over by the coins metal.

 

okay rascal, thanks for clearing it up, because i have some coins that i put into my "weird lookin" jar that have a cut that is clean and at an angle like that

 

Do you also want to know why I go to the bathroom ?

 

I would guess because you are full of something?

I think pmd as well.
LD hasn't lost any credibility in my book.