Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by RedSeals, Dec 30, 2012.
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Now I'm more confused
So Petronious says there are "Vichy notes" and "Occupied France notes", though you say they were all issued by BdF, and valid across all of France. What then distinguishes a note as "Vichy" or not?
Vichy notes are the ones that I put my picture...save images for your archive
5 + 10 francs post #108 page 8
50 francs post #36 page 3
20 + 100 francs post #111 page 8
1.000 francs post #106 page 8
The Banque de France continued to issue notes in all of France whether occupied or unoccupied. Pre-war notes of the Banque remained legal tender during the war. All issues of the Banque were legal tender after liberation even those that were only issued during the period the government was in Vichy. In addition to the suplemental franc notes (P-114-120) the Allied armies brought with them pre-war Banque de France notes that were in Allied possession (mostly held in US and UK banks and the Bank of England) prior to the war or seized in the French possessions in North Africa.
Petronius makes a distinction between notes issued in occupied France and Vichy France. That distinction did not really exist. The notes are all Banque de France notes that were issued in both occupied and unoccupied France.
Yeah, all notes were issued by Banque de France, but those in the occupied area in Paris, those of the Republic of Vichy, in Vichy.
And notes issued in Vichy, were issued mainly to supply money the German troops, otherwise Banque de France would continue to issue only the older types.
And were issued so many, outside of any control, thereby causing the rise in inflation.
And with this devalued francs, Germans acquired most of the French private capital, purchasing shares in multinational corporations, such as refineries of Bor and mines in Alsace and Lorraine.
For all above mentioned, I think that, from a historical, economic and political point of view, it's right to call these notes "Vichy notes."
But also from a numismatic point of view, I think that we can see some differences.
These notes are printed on paper of poorer quality, are smaller in size than those in the occupied zone (to save paper) and also their design and colors are less cared.
I hope I explained my opinion, I apologize if, using English language, something is not clear.
I've got some of these, and I may just know where they be! If'n I find 'em, I'll add to this thread.
These look very similar to what you refer to as 'notgeld'.
All I know about them could be written on the back of a postage stamp, and leave room for a signature & date.
I've got, maybe, 40 to 60 of 'em, with a few duplicates. What's their history?
More pics on demand; individuals too, if required.
More of the same
Thanks for lookin'!
1913 Chihuahua Cinco peso pair
These were Uncle's, and I just got 'em in Dad's stuff.
Interesting to me is the serial number sequence; they are in near-uncirculated condition. No watermark that I can find.
The Weimar Republic was between the wars; I'm aware of the rampant inflation during that time...and I have a few of the very high denomination government notes, some with even higher over-stamped values.
Are these small, colorful, low denomination, cheap paper notes related to the 'official' banknotes...or did they precede or succeed their use? I'm puzzled. Thanks!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notgeld : An interesting article, and so very informative to an ignorant person. Now all I need is a way to display these bright, confetti-like delights!
Yes, they are notgeld.
Most of them are Germans, but you have also some Austrian, those named as "heller" (Austrian cents).
For their history, the wiki link is a good start point.
Another example of Austrian notgeld, in heller, from city of Steyr
I found it in the boydle link:
The name of the place is just one word, by the way - Luckenwalde. The spelling on that web page is a little odd. Today the town is in the state of Brandenburg. The upper image shows Luckenwalde's coat of arms; the lower one has a hat, referring to an important "industry" in the town at that time.
I am not entirely in agreement about notgeld, but you're right on ghetto notes, they are off topic, I apologize with you and CT forum.
Could be possible open a new thread, where Moderators can transfer posts about ghetto?
Or, if it's not possible, please delete them.
They just did - see here: http://www.cointalk.com/t221617/
Here is a 50 gulden note from the Netherlands (image: Creative Review) which I have always liked a lot. One of the many notes that "Ootje" Oxenaar designed; and while his early works are not so great in my view, his later works such as this one are great.
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