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<p>[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 69059, member: 1892"]My first stop for reference when coin-shopping is <a href="http://www.heritagecoins.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.heritagecoins.com/" rel="nofollow">Heritage</a> . They've got a *huge* database of relevant information - prices realized, great pics, population numbers, etc. Registration is free and gives you access to all of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your opinion of grading standards illustrates the completely subjective nature of grading, even within the "professional grading" (by that I mean Top 4 grading services only, as the rest are completely value-driven) community. The Top 4 retain, IMO, somewhat objective standards and altruistic motives, yet even within their own walls they differ from grader to grader. Given such a subjective environment, like any other investment medium, I think the market drives the grade as much as the grade drives the market. That's the bottom line of "gradflation," IMO. Everyone wants to make money, and that's accomplished very easily by just increasing the grade of what you already own. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Your rather strict standard, although as "right" to my sensibilities as it is to yours, reflects a "perfect world" scenario where people aren't making a living either selling coins or grading them.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's tough to evaluate the actual surface of the particular coin in question with the pictures provided. I don't see the obverse bagmarks you refer to, but I see enough crap on the reverse field to disqualify it from MS68. But, that's just you and me. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> NGC thinks it's 68, and it's an admittedly gorgeous coin. In Hertiage's history of similar sales are a couple with what I consider noticeable marks as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>That particular issue bothers me because there's well over 100 '79-S's graded MS68 between PCGS and NGC, yet the Buy It Now for that auction is a realistic number based on prices realized. That's the market-driven part of the grade/price matrix - people are willing to pay MS68 prices for a coin that looks like that, so NGC grades it that way.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's as much due to the uneducated status of much of the market as it is to the relative rarity of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have a few Top 4 slabbed coins that cause me discomfort to see the grade they made.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 69059, member: 1892"]My first stop for reference when coin-shopping is [URL=http://www.heritagecoins.com/]Heritage[/URL] . They've got a *huge* database of relevant information - prices realized, great pics, population numbers, etc. Registration is free and gives you access to all of it. Your opinion of grading standards illustrates the completely subjective nature of grading, even within the "professional grading" (by that I mean Top 4 grading services only, as the rest are completely value-driven) community. The Top 4 retain, IMO, somewhat objective standards and altruistic motives, yet even within their own walls they differ from grader to grader. Given such a subjective environment, like any other investment medium, I think the market drives the grade as much as the grade drives the market. That's the bottom line of "gradflation," IMO. Everyone wants to make money, and that's accomplished very easily by just increasing the grade of what you already own. :) Your rather strict standard, although as "right" to my sensibilities as it is to yours, reflects a "perfect world" scenario where people aren't making a living either selling coins or grading them. It's tough to evaluate the actual surface of the particular coin in question with the pictures provided. I don't see the obverse bagmarks you refer to, but I see enough crap on the reverse field to disqualify it from MS68. But, that's just you and me. :) NGC thinks it's 68, and it's an admittedly gorgeous coin. In Hertiage's history of similar sales are a couple with what I consider noticeable marks as well. That particular issue bothers me because there's well over 100 '79-S's graded MS68 between PCGS and NGC, yet the Buy It Now for that auction is a realistic number based on prices realized. That's the market-driven part of the grade/price matrix - people are willing to pay MS68 prices for a coin that looks like that, so NGC grades it that way. That's as much due to the uneducated status of much of the market as it is to the relative rarity of the coin. I have a few Top 4 slabbed coins that cause me discomfort to see the grade they made.[/QUOTE]
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