Morgan experiment--Generic MS Morgan.

It is without a doubt accelerating the process, and I am exited to see the outcome. Only for educational purposes though. I am hoping that in the future all horrendous AT doesn't become the norm it is already getting out of hand.

 

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I'm currently trying to "AT" an MS Peace.
I had a tube of Franklin proofs that were stopped up with a piece of acidic newspaper from way back when, which toned the living hell out of the coin it touched.
I put the paper on the Peace, and am hoping for...something...

 

Nothing wrong with what you are doing and nothing wrong with selling it especially once you get it graded

This is not coin doctoring, far from it. It is simply laying a coin somewhere and seeing what happens. Some act like it's a sin that will create a beauty every time and since you put it there knowingly it's doctoring. Hogwash. You aren't using chemicals you aren't pushing metal. And you aren't guaranteed anything. It could do nothing, it could create an ugly film or it can create some nice subtle color. It could take a few month or a few years or more. Go for it! But with 90% it's tough to get any color on a windowsill really. 999 especially with PL surfaces is much more reactive to atmospheric conditions quickly but like I said, it can turn out ugly, or nice.

 

+1
In all due respect, I also don't like this experiment.

 

Chill, people have been playing with coins for centuries. Sometimes, even things that just happen by themselves in time (a coin dropped near a coal fire) lead to new things. If the results were good, they make it into the book of Numismatic Secrets.

I've played with coins and chemicals all my life and try to pry stuff out of everyone. I don't do it to defraud people, I do it to learn what alterations look like. I've not experimented in months but this thread has inspired me again!

 

Then, don't do it. Nobody asked you to do it-- it is my experiment, and just that.

 

Well, you just have at it then.

 

Not like I would sell it, and it may come out hideous. It is a $60 coin.

 

Give me a damn break! Centuries ago, people didn't collect coins. They were too busy just trying to survive. Only the wealthy collected coins.

Do you trust everyone here or on SleazeBay to do the right thing? I sure don't!

Chris

 

Isn't that what we are supposed to do as Collectors and Numismatists, experienced or not, it is learning just the same.
Right?

 

If they don't do the right thing, then they are the ones who are being morally bereft. My bigger question would be for most collectors: Have you ever experimented with coins? Seriously, nobody ever dipped a coin? Nobody cleaned a low value coin, out of curiosity? Nobody ever bought a coin that you knew to be damaged, so as to be valueless? Give me a break--this is a hobby. If I were intending to sell it, and attempting to encourage others to do so, that would be a totally different story. This is a harmless, victimless experiment.

 

Victimless? Where's the "victim" in the first place? Its actually beneficial. If it creates awesome color you will be making a toning enthusiast very happy if you sell it. And if it turns out fugly it's only a dip away from being restored to its original state.

 

Yeah, I was kind of wondering why the plan isn't to just dip it after the experiment. It's not like the stated conditions will result in a value-added toner, anyways.

 

That is on the table. I have acetone in my garage shelf if needed.

Just one more comment for the naysayers. Do you have insurance for your coins? Do you post pictures of valuable coins on this site, or elsewhere on the internet? Read your policy carefully-- you can invalidate your coverage if your intent is not to sell your coins and using pictures as advertising for them. Check your policy exclusions. Do you at least strip off identifying metadata? Are you aware that your IP address is constantly being tracked by individuals? That is far more a lapse in judgement than Artificially Toning a coin that cost me $59, and that I have no intention of selling.

 

David,

There is nothing wrong with conducting an experiment for your own personal learning experience, but to think that there aren't people who would use that knowledge for their personal gain at the expense of others is being a bit naïve. Harmless? Victimless? Tell that to the people who buy so-called NT coins from the shysters only to learn that they are not acceptable to the collecting community.

This is why I'm against posting your intended experiment and the results of it on an open forum.

Chris

 

Acetone won't touch what you're planning. It'll take thiourea; you're going to have to strip the surfaces.

 

Leaving it for 45 years......


.....would you still consider it artificial?

What time limit doesn't it take to be "real" toning?

 

Doug, that is a good idea. This same dealer had a nice 1881s for the same price, and of similar luster. That might be an interesting twist. Thanks for the suggestion.