Morgan Dollar

Without looking at any other posts.....,. EF45, perhaps. In no way, based on the pics is it any kind of AU...

 

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Absurd figure.These things were in $1000 bags by the thousands of bags in absolute untouched condition untill 1963. Why would the need to be dipped?????

 

Absolute NONSENSE GDJMSP!!!!! Ridiculous!!! Are you kidding me???

As well you SHOULD know, Tens of millions of Uncirculated Morgan Dollars were released in bags of $1000 from the 1930`s in varying quantities, right up to 1963, when the final MASSIVE quantities were released. There has been no need to "DIP" these common uncirculated Morgans , as pristine (as far as toning is concerned) examples are the norm. Have some scarcer toned coins been dipped? I`m sure. To put a figure that 80% of Morgan Dollars have been dipped is ludicrous. Flies in the face of reality. Millions of untoned and un-dipped white Morgans are and have been available for decades.

Name me the "every expert and experienced numistmatist" (JUST ONE) that believes 80% of white Morgans have been dipped. Ridiculous nonsense. Period.

 

I tend to think the 80% estimate is pretty accurate. One coin dealer near me dips virtually every silver coin that goes through his shop. I'm sure he's not the only one, and the practice was probably more common in the past than it is now.

 

Good response. "Believe whutya want"

Who dipped the white Morgans back in 1962 that I got from my local bank (for face value) when I was 9 years old?

Name me JUST ONE "expert" that agrees with the assertation that 80% of white Morgans have been dipped. Name me one that says even a few percent that you see have been dipped. Quote even one.
Q.David Bowers? Leroy Van Allen? Dr Fey? Jeff Oxman? Ash Harrison? Rob Joyce?

Just because you are so cocky and self-assured in your (expertise?) I am inclined to ask these true Morgan Dollar MASTER EXPERTS IN THE FIELD to respond to this question...

I already know the answer.

I get tired of arguing with the ill-informed experts, and Myth Masters here on CoinTalk. It`s why I come and go here . BUT, Sometimes I just have to confront the BS. Even if it takes getting in the face of an expert moderator.

 

Then he is a crook. Maybe you should post his name here.

If you`s remember a post of mine a month or three ago, I was wondering who cleaned all the BUST HALVES???
Sometime in the 20`s-50`s, MANY Bust halves were cleaned. Maybe 50% of Bust halves were cleaned back in the day.Who knows why.

This does not pertain white Morgan dollars. I only speak to Morgans as this was the topic of this post. I know Seated, Barber and many older series in mint state were enhanced back in the day. And like the Bust halves, circulated coins were cleaned on a widespread basis.

The tens of millions of mint state morgans have been white, and are still white. Maybe you`s know crooks that dip coins. Hmmmmmmm. Name names or shut the edited up.

 

Dude - wow - lots of YNs here, way to show them how to have a constructive disagreement - that's way over the line regardless of what the truth might be.

 

BZ...
I bring you a blast white offering....

 

i go even further and say that up until the late 90's it was popular to clean coins. throughout the late 70's to the late 90's almost all b n m's and circuit dealers were dipping out their inventory because the new influx of ''investors'' wanted bright shiny silver...and the tpgs promoted it as well. until recently, only savvy collectors amassing great sets for the long term holding wanted the dark and crusty pieces....collecting has gone through several premium cycles in the last 10-20 years- dipped, rainbow toned, and now crusty....who knows what's next.

this morgan technically is can't exceed xf in my opinion. this also displays the signs of dipping in the fields near all of the devices. the halo effect.

 

there are millions of blast white morgans available that have never seen the light of day, let alone been cleaned. morgans, like bust halves sat in bank vaults to back loans between banks and rarely ever left the mint bags. only a small percentage were actually circulated.

walker halves and the entire barber series were the most heavily circulated coins to date.

 

I think the concept of toning and circulting are being tossed around as being one in the same. I've no doubt there are some, though a tiny fraction, of "pristine" white Morgans that haven't seen cleaning, but they are the exception. Based on simple first year chemistry, we know that silver tarnishes, even if it's just sat in bags locked in bank vaults, sealed in slabs, or circulated. It's a chemical reaction that every expert, or knowledgable collector will attest to.
Guy~

 

I don't consider him a crook because he doesn't hide the fact that he dips the coins. His customers seem to prefer the look. And he is pretty good at it. So there is no deception involved. It wouldn't be fair to him to post his name here considering the emotionally charged atmosphere surrounding the topic.

 

Dipped how? If they are dipped in acetone for a few seconds does that really count?

Also, I would grade that coin from the OP EF45 as well.

 

Wow! This is a pretty sensitive topic, isn't it? I understand what a "cartwheel" is. What is the "halo" effect?

 

P.S. I think it is good for a noob to get ALL opinions. I like hearing that 80% of Morgans have been dipped or that a lot were released in the '60's.

It doesn't make it harder for me to learn. It makes it easier.

I don't have an emotional investment in my collection (yet) so all information is good. I'll learn, I'll form my own opinions, and I'll get some expert help.

You guys are great. Keep the info coming.

 

I have 13 different Morgan and Peace dollars that my dad received as yearly presents back in the 40's... They were thrown into a jar and never looked at again... One Morgan is "white" Yet in fine, (in fact pretty well AU, But I am no expert), detail with some nice luster... It's an 1896.

All the other coins are darkened or toned nicely... I know for a fact that all the coins sat in a open jewelery box breathing in years of two heavy smokers air and have never even been handled much...

What do I do with it?

 

not necessarily the primary device or focal point. on this piece, i was referring to the lack of luster around the stars, motto, and legend and what appears to harshly scrubbed fields. usually, on a relatively unboinked with piece, luster tends to remain near the devices where it is well protected.