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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1251132, member: 112&quot;]Siggi - </p><p><br /></p><p>If that coin has any luster left on it, it&#039;s just not showing up in the pictures. And you have to understand (and this is for others who may read this as well) that a coin can look shiny and reflective (as it somewhat does in your 2nd pics) and not have a spec of luster on it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, regarding the discussion you and I have been having in PMs. The first pics you sent me&nbsp; of the coin (those in post #1) show very little of the color that the coin has. But if you blow them up and then use the magnifying tool they do a great job of showing the fine detail. And using those pictures I can see no luster on the coin. What they do show though is an old cleaning that has since re-toned. And they show a good bit of wear, especially on the obverse.</p><p><br /></p><p>That coin, in years past, was black for all intents and purposes. And it was dipped to remove that heavy black toning. Now the thing about black toning is this, once a coin has turned black, there can be no luster left on it for the the toning itself will have destroyed any luster by that point. That&#039;s one reason I told you that the coin had been harshly cleaned. But there is another reason too. The obv only shows a few hairlines,&nbsp; and those hairlines may or may not be the result of a harsh cleaning; but if you look at the rev in the area under STATES, you can plainly see where somebody used something abrasive to try and&nbsp; remove the heavy dark toning. You can even see, in that one narrow strip, where the abrasive scratches stop under the 1st T and under the 2nd S, and the remainder of that narrow strip had the black toning on the ends removed by the dip.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, even if the toning had not progressed to the point that it had destroyed the luster, that narrow strip from the T to the S where the abrasive was used, is enough all by itself for the coin to be designated as harshly cleaned. That&#039;s all it takes, use an abrasive on 1 small area and leave the rest of the coin alone, and that coin is forever designated as harshly cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thus my answer to your questions about this coin. I wish it were not so but what is there is there. And what is not there is not there, namely luster.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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