Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
CoinTalk
>
What's it Worth
>
Morgan and toned experts need apply.
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2374381, member: 1892"]Quite agreed, and the eagle's breast and legs seem to agree with us. With that in mind, the color has to be immediately suspect, if only from a TPG point of view. The conditions under which toning is popularly adjudicated as "natural" <b>rarely</b> happen to circulated coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>And I'd find it hard to adjudicate this toning as "natural" even on a Mint State coin (these images are, of course, insufficient for more than vague speculation as to the actual grade). The abrupt color transitions from magenta to blue, combined with the random mixing of them - and the ragged areas where no toning at all exist - on the obverse, and the splotchy areas of <b>much</b> darker toning (like the N of ONE, and other places on the rim, argue that the coin has undergone more than one toning process. That doesn't pass the smell test.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, add in the plain fact that 1896-P is common in high grade and $200 should buy a slabbed MS65 with a Green Bean (excepting the fact that these seem to rarely Bean; Heritage has only offered two MS65's with Beans in the last year and one of those was DMPL), and I'm of the opinion that I wouldn't buy this coin for $200 with stolen money.</p><p><br /></p><p>In its' defense, there are some pretty spectacular (and spectacularly weird) toning patterns known for 1896, and these images are (relatively speaking) poor enough to be completely deceptive.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2374381, member: 1892"]Quite agreed, and the eagle's breast and legs seem to agree with us. With that in mind, the color has to be immediately suspect, if only from a TPG point of view. The conditions under which toning is popularly adjudicated as "natural" [B]rarely[/B] happen to circulated coinage. And I'd find it hard to adjudicate this toning as "natural" even on a Mint State coin (these images are, of course, insufficient for more than vague speculation as to the actual grade). The abrupt color transitions from magenta to blue, combined with the random mixing of them - and the ragged areas where no toning at all exist - on the obverse, and the splotchy areas of [B]much[/B] darker toning (like the N of ONE, and other places on the rim, argue that the coin has undergone more than one toning process. That doesn't pass the smell test. Now, add in the plain fact that 1896-P is common in high grade and $200 should buy a slabbed MS65 with a Green Bean (excepting the fact that these seem to rarely Bean; Heritage has only offered two MS65's with Beans in the last year and one of those was DMPL), and I'm of the opinion that I wouldn't buy this coin for $200 with stolen money. In its' defense, there are some pretty spectacular (and spectacularly weird) toning patterns known for 1896, and these images are (relatively speaking) poor enough to be completely deceptive.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
CoinTalk
>
What's it Worth
>
Morgan and toned experts need apply.
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...