Morgan 1878S

lol Well that is true I guess now isn't it

I guess we could put it to a poll and see what the consensus is but that will still be just a group opinion.

Poll anyone?

 

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I have said what I said,and showed what there is to show.Im out of it from here on.having a poll would only rub it in,and Im a nice person,so I wouldnt want to be involved.

 

Guys, I'm sorry my coin made you argue. Anyway, all your comments are extremely helpful for someone like me who has everything to know, thanks. Just another thing: some of you have mentioned that the reed marks on the cheek are "bag marks", how can you tell that? Just their shape? Thanks again.

 

Yep...look at the shape of those marks. They look like the same pattern of the edge of the coin.

And I don't know it's an argument, certainly not me!! Just sharing my opinions with you.

 

I'd go AU55 on that Morgan.

 

Ohh...now it's 2 vs 2

 

Imo the toning, coupled with the pics, make it very hard to grade this coin. I think it could go either way, but from only these pics I think the coin has MS details.

I think the bigger question is will it even grade with that hit on the cheek. The coin has 5 clear reed marks, 3 of which are deep, in a major area of the coin. I have seen Morgans graded with 3 reed marks, but I don't think I've ever seen a Morgan in a regular slab that had 5 reed marks on the cheek like this one does. I'd like to see an example if anyone knows of one.

I would say the mark on the cheek plus the rim ding on the reverse would mean a genuine holder for this coin.

 

The more I look at that picture, the more I agree with raider. That is a big, bad ding on prime Morgan Dollar real estate. Genuine slabbed...but it still has circulation, so definitely not an MS coin.

 

According to Redbook, the standards for a Morgan to meet grade MS-60, lowest fraction of MS grade, No trace of wear, Full Mint Luster.

Just on those two points alone the OP's coin fails to be a MS coin. There is no luster, and a lot of wear. It does; however, meet the criteria for AU; trace of wear on the bust shoulder, hair left of forehead, eagles, breast and top edges of wings.

 

I'm thinking the OP coin might grade but only as an AU.
PCGS gave the coin I'm posting below an MS60.
Almost the same hit to the cheek but looks to have a bit more luster.
Just can't see the OP coin in an MS holder but we are all just looking at images.

 

With silver value about $15, I'd pay a $5 numismatic premium for it. This is really the point of grading it anyway, isn't it? What will someone pay for it? SO a MS at $20 or an AU Damaged for $20 amounts to the same thing.

Now if someone else is willing to pay more, then it's improving in grade in a way. Everything rolls into the price including marketability.

 

Anyway, that's MY opinion for what it's worth.

 

Thank you all for your comments.

 

Wow guys,there are some tough critics here.

And some that need to really reassess their grading,if they would like to continue collect coins over $20

Just to inform some people here,that are using the "red book" for grading.there is a difference between "wear" and minor breaks in luster from the coin rubbing agianst another coin in a bag.

The coin is an MS easily,and im willing to put my $$$ where my mouth is.

And a few of us are trying to help educate,so I hope there are some that are paying attention.and just to notate

DUKE-was in the top 5 best graders from photos on this forum.

 

I wasn't gonna say squat because I don't do Morgans. I can clearly see a trace of wear in the hair. If you call this MS than more power to ya. I call it AU...

 

WELL since you stepped up to the plate,how about,If I pay the fees,and it comes back MS then you make a thread,stating that your grading skills on morgan dollars,is below average,and you will be working on it,and any help is appreciated.and you bump it 3 times a week,so new members can see it.for a month.

you choose if I lose.

I know the diff between,"wear" and a luster breaks from touching another coin.

 

better yet,how about you put in your signature line

"Caution-I cannot grade morgan dollar's by photographs,please do not ask for my opinion."

for 6months

 

I can tell you that your coin's bagmark on the cheek is not as deep and distracting as the OP's coin, and the details in Liberty's hair as well as the eagle don't show the amount of wear either.