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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 28363, member: 112"]Typically - adjustment marks are made on the coin planchets before striking. When the planchets are made they are carefully weighed. And if they are too heavy - some metal is removed by using a file. But there are also examples of coins that have adjustment marks which were made after striking. It's usually easy to see these as the marks only appear in the devices ( high points ) and not the fields.</p><p><br /></p><p>But with this coin that is not the case obviously as the marks are only in the fields and there are none in the devices. Of course it is possible that the marks were made on the planchet prior to striking. In other words the planchet was adjusted. But what leads me to think that this is not so is that every uncirculated example of these coins looks just like this one - there are never any marks still visible in the devices even at their lowest points. And there should be if they marks were made prior to striking. For with hammer struck coins - it is extremely unusual for ALL of the adjustment marks to disappear in the devices. In fact I have never seen even one example.</p><p><br /></p><p>That being said, picture this if you will. The die maker starts off with a piece of metal and he needs it to be flat before he can start carving the die. But the year is 1400 and they don't have things like tiny grinding wheels and fancy metal tools. But they do have files and large grinding wheels. So he gets the die as flat as he can with the tools he has. Certainly the surface if the die is almost smooth, but there are still rough lines left from the wheel or the file, but this is about as smooth as he can get it. Yes he could spend an inordinate amount of time making it smoother by rubbing it - but time is money. And the making of the dies takes long enough as it is. And they will not last very long for metalurgy has not yet reached the point that high grade steel is available. So the die will break before it strikes very many coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also understand that at the time the only interest was to produce coins as quickly as possible to lessen the cost of doing so. For the mint masters of the time were paid a percentage of the coinage they produced. They weren't too particular about the surface of the coins being bright, shiny and smooth - they only cared that the weight was right and that the design was visible to identify the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>During this time period Venice had become masters of the world's trade - and their only interest was in pumping out these coins that made them masters, as fast as they could. They could care less about the lines in the surfaces of the coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 28363, member: 112"]Typically - adjustment marks are made on the coin planchets before striking. When the planchets are made they are carefully weighed. And if they are too heavy - some metal is removed by using a file. But there are also examples of coins that have adjustment marks which were made after striking. It's usually easy to see these as the marks only appear in the devices ( high points ) and not the fields. But with this coin that is not the case obviously as the marks are only in the fields and there are none in the devices. Of course it is possible that the marks were made on the planchet prior to striking. In other words the planchet was adjusted. But what leads me to think that this is not so is that every uncirculated example of these coins looks just like this one - there are never any marks still visible in the devices even at their lowest points. And there should be if they marks were made prior to striking. For with hammer struck coins - it is extremely unusual for ALL of the adjustment marks to disappear in the devices. In fact I have never seen even one example. That being said, picture this if you will. The die maker starts off with a piece of metal and he needs it to be flat before he can start carving the die. But the year is 1400 and they don't have things like tiny grinding wheels and fancy metal tools. But they do have files and large grinding wheels. So he gets the die as flat as he can with the tools he has. Certainly the surface if the die is almost smooth, but there are still rough lines left from the wheel or the file, but this is about as smooth as he can get it. Yes he could spend an inordinate amount of time making it smoother by rubbing it - but time is money. And the making of the dies takes long enough as it is. And they will not last very long for metalurgy has not yet reached the point that high grade steel is available. So the die will break before it strikes very many coins. Also understand that at the time the only interest was to produce coins as quickly as possible to lessen the cost of doing so. For the mint masters of the time were paid a percentage of the coinage they produced. They weren't too particular about the surface of the coins being bright, shiny and smooth - they only cared that the weight was right and that the design was visible to identify the coin. During this time period Venice had become masters of the world's trade - and their only interest was in pumping out these coins that made them masters, as fast as they could. They could care less about the lines in the surfaces of the coins.[/QUOTE]
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