Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Finn235, Sep 17, 2021.
Before spilling the beans - I'm curious if anyone else sees what I see here?
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I only have 3 of these types of coins and can't really distinguish between them to save my life.
Glad you got a bunch of whales though, whatever they may be
Looking forward to hearing what you have to say about them.
Also for anyone curious who looks them up - the auction house's attribution of them is wrong.
You are our resident specialist on these, but they look quite late.
The normally S shaped tip of the ribbon in front of the head to the right looks a bit like an Elymais trident here, or is it the symbol normally behind the head ? Als Bob L noted, the noses on some seem to point left. But the dent in the face, which is usually below the nose, is on the normal right side. So unsure if some are indeed mirrorred. The fire altar lacks the normal diabolo shape and no cross in the middle. Late Malwa version ?
The whole lot - except for one in the center bottom - is a totally unpublished and unknown series. I believe that these are directly imitated from late Series 1.4
They are not however the "Vaghela" type which is similar in terms of debasement and dumpiness, but characterized by the "S" portion of the ribbon displacing the three horizontal lines
It looks like there are two types of this new series
First, with a relatively well-engraved portrait, but very simple fire altar engraved in thick lines and replacing the star in the middle with a dot
Second either is engraved with a bust to the left, or at least has the ear on the wrong side
I'll have to dig into them when I get them in hand!
@Finn235......What a great find!....Looking forward to seeing your analysis of this new type....
@Finn235 - thanks for sharing these. Very informative...
I am horning in on this post because I got my very first Gadhaiya coin last week. This was not something I was actively seeking, but with most of my ancient interests, I let some random eBay auction lead me. It came in a small oddball lot (Ivan the Terrible denga included) and once I got this in hand, I was really, really impressed.
This led me to hunting up @Finn235 posts on Coin Talk where I found a lot of great information on these. So thank you!
Here it is, my only Gadhaiya, with my effort at an attribution. It has some crusty stuff, mostly on the obverse, but I kind of like the "excavated look" to some extent:
Indo-Sasanian, Chalukyas of Gujarat.
(c. 950-1050 A.D. )
Degenerate Indo-Sasanian style bust right, sun and moon (crown?) above / Stylized fire altar, sun (rosette of dots) above left, crescent moon above right
Mitchiner Non-Islamic 427; Deyell 158 (see reverse).
(4.03 grams / 18 x 16 mm)
eBay Sep. 2021 Lot @ $3.90
"...the celators opted to shrink the portrait to accommodate the entire die on the best-struck coins. This is by far the most common single type of Gadhaiya, the Small Portrait Orthodox type, series 1.4.3."
Finn235 on Coin Talk Oct. 2019
Here is the lot it came in. I cannot figure out the two on the right - the bottom one is an Ottoman akce of some sort (0.68 grams, silver). The one with the five-spoke wheel is utterly baffling me. Any help greatly appreciated:
@Marsyas Mike Nice first Gadhaiya! 1.4.3 is correct - yours is a nice and well-loved example, and looks like it may have been a full reverse strike when it was still hot from the mint.
@coin_nut, I assume that all 3 lots that sold were a single hoard, fed into the market slowly. Hopefully I'll be able to recover the budget a bit to catch more if/when they do appear!
I'd love to see yours, when you have time to image them!
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