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<p>[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2794119, member: 76086"]Man! Oz hit the nail on the head. He really did! The pool of bidders is so much larger larger than what we are talking about here. Sure, if there were only a few people bidding in any auction at any time there would be a noticeable outcome. But with the countless thousands out there who might possibly bid in any particular auction this discussion becomes irrelevant.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are <i>so</i> many factors we cant even begin to know or understand, especially when we consider that each and every auction is different. Each dealer, each offering, the quality of the coins, the quality of the photographs etc, who is looking at that particular point in time. The list goes on and really is endless. Its what makes auctions interesting for the buyer (but not always so for the seller).</p><p><br /></p><p>In the end it all comes down to what any one bidder might be willing to pay for any one lot at any given point in time and venue. I may be disappointed (as a seller) to see coin "XYZ" hammer for $any amount. But if you are the seller it is your responsibility to ensure that the opening bid will be the minimum amount that you are willing to accept. Anything above that will be gravy.</p><p><br /></p><p>I say these things both as a seller and a buyer. I buy for various reasons, but I am not emotional about it. If I dont get a lot I dont care. Someone else was willing to pay more than I was and I just dont care. As a seller I start the bidding at the lowest amount I am willing to accept and will be happy with that. End of story.</p><p><br /></p><p>One last thing I should point out. In this whole discussion about collusion, well, it seems to point out to me that if it was happening on a large basis many people should be getting huge bargains. I mean, if dealer and collectors were doing this then I should be able to come in at the last moments of the auction and get lots for one or more increments above those who are supposedly colluding together.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2794119, member: 76086"]Man! Oz hit the nail on the head. He really did! The pool of bidders is so much larger larger than what we are talking about here. Sure, if there were only a few people bidding in any auction at any time there would be a noticeable outcome. But with the countless thousands out there who might possibly bid in any particular auction this discussion becomes irrelevant. There are [I]so[/I] many factors we cant even begin to know or understand, especially when we consider that each and every auction is different. Each dealer, each offering, the quality of the coins, the quality of the photographs etc, who is looking at that particular point in time. The list goes on and really is endless. Its what makes auctions interesting for the buyer (but not always so for the seller). In the end it all comes down to what any one bidder might be willing to pay for any one lot at any given point in time and venue. I may be disappointed (as a seller) to see coin "XYZ" hammer for $any amount. But if you are the seller it is your responsibility to ensure that the opening bid will be the minimum amount that you are willing to accept. Anything above that will be gravy. I say these things both as a seller and a buyer. I buy for various reasons, but I am not emotional about it. If I dont get a lot I dont care. Someone else was willing to pay more than I was and I just dont care. As a seller I start the bidding at the lowest amount I am willing to accept and will be happy with that. End of story. One last thing I should point out. In this whole discussion about collusion, well, it seems to point out to me that if it was happening on a large basis many people should be getting huge bargains. I mean, if dealer and collectors were doing this then I should be able to come in at the last moments of the auction and get lots for one or more increments above those who are supposedly colluding together.[/QUOTE]
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