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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;beef1020, post: 2794103, member: 24544&quot;]I&#039;ll stick with your phrasing of the maxim, and still don&#039;t see how it resolves the issue.&nbsp; If everyone involved in a an auction colludes with a couple friends, you end up with something other than an auction.&nbsp; For example,&nbsp; think of the difference between an Olympic sprint bicycle race and the Tour de France.&nbsp; They are both bicycle races, but one is a winner take all race where everyone competes fairly.&nbsp; The other is a race where a couple groups of &#039;friends&#039; decide to cooperate.&nbsp; The tour is a much different type of race.&nbsp; Now imagine someone who doesn&#039;t understand the rules trys to compete in the Tour...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You have stretched logic past it&#039;s breaking point here in an effort to come up with an argument.&nbsp; While I applaud the analysis, I think the degree you torture the logic is a pretty good indication of the difficulty defending the position.&nbsp; One group gets a benefit, and the other group is damaged.&nbsp; Yet you end up with it&#039;s a tie, which literally doesn&#039;t follow, and therefore ok.&nbsp; The fact that the magnitude of the outcome may be small, which is not reasonable to assume, still does not get you to it&#039;s a tie.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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