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<p>[QUOTE="gxseries, post: 2140857, member: 4373"]I question why people refuse to buy a catalog first especially when the coin purchased could be more than a couple of hundred dollars and the catalog could be bought for just a fraction of that. Ok, sometimes you may need a specialized catalog for certain coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>The real problem is this - once you publish anything that identify what are the problems, counterfeiters take this as a lesson to rectify their product. To them, it's business - to us it's a nightmare. </p><p><br /></p><p>The only thing that's common on ebay these days is sellers do a "hit and run" sale. Sellers open up a new account and sell counterfeit coins that's worth a fair amount of money (if they are genuine). Normally make a couple of grand before they disappear.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now here's the predicament - ebay takes 10% share and paypal takes another 3-4%. That's a fair bit of commission and this is a good reason why ebay doesn't really want their golden goose taken away. But who exactly are paying for all this? That's right, it's not the sellers but it's the buyers that lose out. The only time ebay / paypal will take serious action is when counterfeits are involved. That's only IF the buyers are able to identify the item(s) counterfeit. </p><p><br /></p><p>Unlike the case where luxury brands sued ebay a few years ago and ebay ended up having to toughen their act - coins or banknotes are a different matter. Mints or local monetary issuer may have legal course with recent issues but for anything that's issued a few decades ago, there is no recourse. To top it up, when you are dealing with foreign coins, it just makes it too difficult. </p><p><br /></p><p>The only solution that I can see is to flood the market with counterfeits, making people aware of them and educate the public. Literally using fire to fight fire.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gxseries, post: 2140857, member: 4373"]I question why people refuse to buy a catalog first especially when the coin purchased could be more than a couple of hundred dollars and the catalog could be bought for just a fraction of that. Ok, sometimes you may need a specialized catalog for certain coins. The real problem is this - once you publish anything that identify what are the problems, counterfeiters take this as a lesson to rectify their product. To them, it's business - to us it's a nightmare. The only thing that's common on ebay these days is sellers do a "hit and run" sale. Sellers open up a new account and sell counterfeit coins that's worth a fair amount of money (if they are genuine). Normally make a couple of grand before they disappear. Now here's the predicament - ebay takes 10% share and paypal takes another 3-4%. That's a fair bit of commission and this is a good reason why ebay doesn't really want their golden goose taken away. But who exactly are paying for all this? That's right, it's not the sellers but it's the buyers that lose out. The only time ebay / paypal will take serious action is when counterfeits are involved. That's only IF the buyers are able to identify the item(s) counterfeit. Unlike the case where luxury brands sued ebay a few years ago and ebay ended up having to toughen their act - coins or banknotes are a different matter. Mints or local monetary issuer may have legal course with recent issues but for anything that's issued a few decades ago, there is no recourse. To top it up, when you are dealing with foreign coins, it just makes it too difficult. The only solution that I can see is to flood the market with counterfeits, making people aware of them and educate the public. Literally using fire to fight fire.[/QUOTE]
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