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<p>[QUOTE="StevenHarden, post: 4358694, member: 67639"]Hello All,</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is another small group of error coins I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any comments on the type of error, rarity, value, whether it's worth it to be graded, etc. As always, any comments are greatly appreciated and any discussion is encouraged.</p><p><br /></p><p>I wanted to try something a little bit different on this lot. I have some world coins that appear to be mismatched date/mint mark combination pieces or mismatched date/design pieces. Not only is that unusual, but these pieces also appear to have some type of error as well.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>NOTE #1</b>: Error #66 is supposedly a Mexico 8 Reales dated 1806 Mo FT. Under KM#109 in the "Standard Catalog of World Coins 1801-1900", 8th edition, there is no listing for this Date/Mint Mark combination. A similar Listing of Date/Mint Mark combinations is available at <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18852.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18852.html" rel="nofollow">https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18852.html</a> While this mismatch may indicate that this is possibly a counterfeit, there also appears to be some type of lamination problem with this piece. This example also has medal alignment orientation, which is correct for this issue. Weight is ~24.4 grams (correct should be ~27.07 grams [may be light due to lamination detachment]).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>NOTE #2</b>:<b> </b>Errors #67-68 are supposedly Great Britain gold Sovereigns dated 1979. There are several anomalies to these examples when comparing to a standard 1979 G.B. Sovereign, so I will try to break them up for clarity as follows:</p><p><b>A: </b>Note that both of these examples have a marking stamped in the obverse field that says "21 Kt". Per KM#919 in the "Standard Catalog of World Gold Coins", 5th edition, G.B. sovereigns are 0.9170 pure gold (22 Kt). There is a thread on a different site that looks at a sovereign with a "21 K" stamp. That thread discusses how that piece may be a jewelers copy and also states the following: "it is also possible they were 22 K sovereigns locally assay stamped by officials with the official legal 21K stamp because the laws of the country might require that an imported piece, in order to be able to be named and sold as gold in an islamic country must hold 21K and state it or bear that mark. " This thread can be reached at <a href="https://www.silverstackers.com/forums/index.php?threads/weird-mintmark-on-sovereign.26184/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.silverstackers.com/forums/index.php?threads/weird-mintmark-on-sovereign.26184/" rel="nofollow">https://www.silverstackers.com/forums/index.php?threads/weird-mintmark-on-sovereign.26184/</a></p><p><b>B: </b>One of the most unusual anomalies is the fact this these pieces are dated 1979, but they have the head of King George V. Great Britain gold Sovereigns from 1979 should have the head of Queen Elizabeth II. This alone is an extremely abnormal feature and raising a very big red flag.</p><p><b>C: </b>In the photograph below, the edges of these examples are shown beside a genuine gold Sovereign. Note that the reeding on the examples is very weak to nearly non-existent when compared to a Sovereign that is known to be genuine.</p><p><b>D: </b>As per the above-mentioned photograph of the edges of these examples, you can note that the diameter and thickness actually seems to match or very closely match that of a known genuine sovereign. In addition, the weights of both examples are ~8.0 grams, which is within error of the correct weight.</p><p><b>E (Error Part 1): </b>Both examples appear to have rotated reverses of varying degrees. According to <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12812.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12812.html" rel="nofollow">https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12812.html</a>, a 1979 Great Britain gold Sovereign should have medal alignment orientation. According to <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11463.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11463.html" rel="nofollow">https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11463.html</a>, Great Britain gold Sovereigns with the King George V head from 1911-1925 also have medal alignment orientation. Note that there are other issues with an "enhanced portrait / modified effigy" of King George V that were issued by other countries like Australia and South Africa in later years, some of which were issued with coin alignment orientation. Assuming medal alignment orientation would be the correct orientation for these examples, #67 would have a reverse rotated about 5-10 degrees, whereas #68 would have a reverse rotated near 120 degrees.</p><p><b>F (Error Part 2): </b>The most obvious and striking error are the clashed die marks on both the obverse and the reverse. You can clearly see the outline King George V on the reverse along with the horse and rider as well as evidence of the horses tail coming out of the back of King George V's head when looking at the obverse. I am no expert in how to create overlays like those at <a href="http://www.maddieclashes.com/denominational-overlays/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.maddieclashes.com/denominational-overlays/" rel="nofollow">http://www.maddieclashes.com/denominational-overlays/</a>, but I would imagine that details would seem to match up very closely upon creation of an overlay assuming medal alignment orientation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now to the coins.....</p><p>ERROR #66</p><p>(Obverse)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102239[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Reverse)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102240[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Edge view at 6:00)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102241[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Edge view at 12:00)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102242[/ATTACH]</p><p>ERRORS #67-68</p><p>(Obverse - #67 on Left, #68 on Right)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102246[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Reverse - #67 on Left, #68 on Right)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102245[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Edge View - #67 on Left, #68 on Right - Genuine Gold Sovereign in Center)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102247[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Obverse of #67)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102243[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Reverse of #67)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1102244[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>THANK YOU.</p><p><br /></p><p>Tagging: [USER=59737]@Seattlite86[/USER]</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #00b359">NOTE: IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO BE TAGGED, LET ME KNOW.</span></b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="StevenHarden, post: 4358694, member: 67639"]Hello All, Here is another small group of error coins I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any comments on the type of error, rarity, value, whether it's worth it to be graded, etc. As always, any comments are greatly appreciated and any discussion is encouraged. I wanted to try something a little bit different on this lot. I have some world coins that appear to be mismatched date/mint mark combination pieces or mismatched date/design pieces. Not only is that unusual, but these pieces also appear to have some type of error as well. [B]NOTE #1[/B]: Error #66 is supposedly a Mexico 8 Reales dated 1806 Mo FT. Under KM#109 in the "Standard Catalog of World Coins 1801-1900", 8th edition, there is no listing for this Date/Mint Mark combination. A similar Listing of Date/Mint Mark combinations is available at [URL]https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18852.html[/URL] While this mismatch may indicate that this is possibly a counterfeit, there also appears to be some type of lamination problem with this piece. This example also has medal alignment orientation, which is correct for this issue. Weight is ~24.4 grams (correct should be ~27.07 grams [may be light due to lamination detachment]). [B]NOTE #2[/B]:[B] [/B]Errors #67-68 are supposedly Great Britain gold Sovereigns dated 1979. There are several anomalies to these examples when comparing to a standard 1979 G.B. Sovereign, so I will try to break them up for clarity as follows: [B]A: [/B]Note that both of these examples have a marking stamped in the obverse field that says "21 Kt". Per KM#919 in the "Standard Catalog of World Gold Coins", 5th edition, G.B. sovereigns are 0.9170 pure gold (22 Kt). There is a thread on a different site that looks at a sovereign with a "21 K" stamp. That thread discusses how that piece may be a jewelers copy and also states the following: "it is also possible they were 22 K sovereigns locally assay stamped by officials with the official legal 21K stamp because the laws of the country might require that an imported piece, in order to be able to be named and sold as gold in an islamic country must hold 21K and state it or bear that mark. " This thread can be reached at [URL]https://www.silverstackers.com/forums/index.php?threads/weird-mintmark-on-sovereign.26184/[/URL] [B]B: [/B]One of the most unusual anomalies is the fact this these pieces are dated 1979, but they have the head of King George V. Great Britain gold Sovereigns from 1979 should have the head of Queen Elizabeth II. This alone is an extremely abnormal feature and raising a very big red flag. [B]C: [/B]In the photograph below, the edges of these examples are shown beside a genuine gold Sovereign. Note that the reeding on the examples is very weak to nearly non-existent when compared to a Sovereign that is known to be genuine. [B]D: [/B]As per the above-mentioned photograph of the edges of these examples, you can note that the diameter and thickness actually seems to match or very closely match that of a known genuine sovereign. In addition, the weights of both examples are ~8.0 grams, which is within error of the correct weight. [B]E (Error Part 1): [/B]Both examples appear to have rotated reverses of varying degrees. According to [URL]https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12812.html[/URL], a 1979 Great Britain gold Sovereign should have medal alignment orientation. According to [URL]https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11463.html[/URL], Great Britain gold Sovereigns with the King George V head from 1911-1925 also have medal alignment orientation. Note that there are other issues with an "enhanced portrait / modified effigy" of King George V that were issued by other countries like Australia and South Africa in later years, some of which were issued with coin alignment orientation. Assuming medal alignment orientation would be the correct orientation for these examples, #67 would have a reverse rotated about 5-10 degrees, whereas #68 would have a reverse rotated near 120 degrees. [B]F (Error Part 2): [/B]The most obvious and striking error are the clashed die marks on both the obverse and the reverse. You can clearly see the outline King George V on the reverse along with the horse and rider as well as evidence of the horses tail coming out of the back of King George V's head when looking at the obverse. I am no expert in how to create overlays like those at [URL]http://www.maddieclashes.com/denominational-overlays/[/URL], but I would imagine that details would seem to match up very closely upon creation of an overlay assuming medal alignment orientation. Now to the coins..... ERROR #66 (Obverse) [ATTACH=full]1102239[/ATTACH] (Reverse) [ATTACH=full]1102240[/ATTACH] (Edge view at 6:00) [ATTACH=full]1102241[/ATTACH] (Edge view at 12:00) [ATTACH=full]1102242[/ATTACH] ERRORS #67-68 (Obverse - #67 on Left, #68 on Right) [ATTACH=full]1102246[/ATTACH] (Reverse - #67 on Left, #68 on Right) [ATTACH=full]1102245[/ATTACH] (Edge View - #67 on Left, #68 on Right - Genuine Gold Sovereign in Center) [ATTACH=full]1102247[/ATTACH] (Obverse of #67) [ATTACH=full]1102243[/ATTACH] (Reverse of #67) [ATTACH=full]1102244[/ATTACH] THANK YOU. Tagging: [USER=59737]@Seattlite86[/USER] [B][COLOR=#00b359]NOTE: IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO BE TAGGED, LET ME KNOW.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
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