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<p>[QUOTE="Pellinore, post: 3556866, member: 74834"]This is a particularly interesting but just as difficult corner of numismatics. There's some important literature about it. This started with a groundbreaking work (1967) by Robert Göbl, in German and in four volumes (one all-photo, one all-original-texts - countermarks - marks), not cheap or common. This is the title in English: 'Documents for the History of Iranian Huns in Bactria and India'. If you have a little grasp of German it can help you along quite well. The [USER=99531]@Nvb[/USER] OP coin type is there, #200 alright. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]945441[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>But especially in the last 20-odd years a lot of information has come to light, many new coins and archeology. </p><p>There was an important exhibition in Vienna (the Art History Museum where Michael Alram works). There is a nice website about this: <a href="http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/" rel="nofollow">http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/</a></p><p>And the coins with descriptions (if you hover over the pictures) are here: </p><p><a href="http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/coins" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/coins" rel="nofollow">http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/coins</a></p><p>There's also a useful map section.</p><p><br /></p><p>The article [USER=90248]@Spaniard[/USER] posts here was written by Klaus Vondrovec, one of the foremost Hunno-scientists and published in 2011. Later (2014) he published a large catalog of coins minted by the Huns and their successors, a two-volume work that was based on that of Göbl - it has the same numbers and your Göbl 200 is also Vondrovec 200. </p><p>This is the title page: </p><p>[ATTACH=full]945445[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>In this book he states that the coin of your type, Nr. 200, is particularly difficult to date. But it is from after 560, when the Nezak Huns were decisively beaten by a combined army from Sasanians and Turkic soldiers. Some time after this defeat the beaten tribes went back north to the Kabul-Zabulistan area where they had been reigning a century before. This is what is called the Alkhan-Nezak Crossover. These people probably were subject to a Western Turk overlordship. A wide suspected data range is 580-665 AD. </p><p><br /></p><p>In this coinage things are not so straightforward as with Roman coins, where there's a lot of written history preserved in the course of the ages. Turkic and Hunnic history has been obliterated by later conquerors, there were no unbiased historians in their day - written stuff about these people, if it ever existed, has been lost. There has been some excavating and other studies in the early 2000s, with important discoveries (<a href="https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/28381/ThesisLeidenUNadiaHamid.pdf?sequence=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/28381/ThesisLeidenUNadiaHamid.pdf?sequence=1" rel="nofollow">see this!</a>), but Afghanistan is much more difficult now. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the Vondrovec #200 data in some photos I made from the book.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Pellinore, post: 3556866, member: 74834"]This is a particularly interesting but just as difficult corner of numismatics. There's some important literature about it. This started with a groundbreaking work (1967) by Robert Göbl, in German and in four volumes (one all-photo, one all-original-texts - countermarks - marks), not cheap or common. This is the title in English: 'Documents for the History of Iranian Huns in Bactria and India'. If you have a little grasp of German it can help you along quite well. The [USER=99531]@Nvb[/USER] OP coin type is there, #200 alright. [ATTACH=full]945441[/ATTACH] But especially in the last 20-odd years a lot of information has come to light, many new coins and archeology. There was an important exhibition in Vienna (the Art History Museum where Michael Alram works). There is a nice website about this: [url]http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/[/url] And the coins with descriptions (if you hover over the pictures) are here: [url]http://pro.geo.univie.ac.at/projects/khm/coins[/url] There's also a useful map section. The article [USER=90248]@Spaniard[/USER] posts here was written by Klaus Vondrovec, one of the foremost Hunno-scientists and published in 2011. Later (2014) he published a large catalog of coins minted by the Huns and their successors, a two-volume work that was based on that of Göbl - it has the same numbers and your Göbl 200 is also Vondrovec 200. This is the title page: [ATTACH=full]945445[/ATTACH] In this book he states that the coin of your type, Nr. 200, is particularly difficult to date. But it is from after 560, when the Nezak Huns were decisively beaten by a combined army from Sasanians and Turkic soldiers. Some time after this defeat the beaten tribes went back north to the Kabul-Zabulistan area where they had been reigning a century before. This is what is called the Alkhan-Nezak Crossover. These people probably were subject to a Western Turk overlordship. A wide suspected data range is 580-665 AD. In this coinage things are not so straightforward as with Roman coins, where there's a lot of written history preserved in the course of the ages. Turkic and Hunnic history has been obliterated by later conquerors, there were no unbiased historians in their day - written stuff about these people, if it ever existed, has been lost. There has been some excavating and other studies in the early 2000s, with important discoveries ([URL='https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/28381/ThesisLeidenUNadiaHamid.pdf?sequence=1']see this![/URL]), but Afghanistan is much more difficult now. Here are the Vondrovec #200 data in some photos I made from the book.[/QUOTE]
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