Misattributions and "Bay" sellers- not a 1943 FS-101 DDO.

Recent listing called by a friend to my attention; seller listing a TPG "attributed" MS-67 1943 FS-101 Lincoln Cent with a starting bid of $1995.00!


Images provided by the seller include the slabs; the on-line cert unfortunately has no images but does show the attribution.





I created a comparison image of my friend's example (image courtesy PCGS) on the left and the "Bay" example on the right. To my eyes they are not even close!


Looking at the TPG's website they have an image of the attributions for this variety, so it is interesting how these things happen, but people are human...


Also the census info includes links to current buys and links to this one.




One thing I was reminded of is that this TPG does NOT guarantee attributions (but they are strong in guaranteeing authentications); after discussion the cert has been updated.


I have notified the seller but have not received a response as of yet.

Best,

Jack

 

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I would pass on it

 

ALWAYS--yes, ALWAYS--do your own attribution on varieties/die marriages rather than blindly trusting a TPG to get it right.

Although all the TPGs seem to be getting better they still mislabel a bunch of coins.

 

I hate when this happens. I actually feel bad for the seller.

 

Pass on that item

 

Another mechanical error....

Great work as always!

 

I believe I see some doubling in the "1" and the "9" on the bay coin, or am I seeing things? So what is the attribution, if any, and what is the coin actually worth then? I'm not a LC guy, FWIW.

 

There's a long stretch of time in which NGC had a bad reputation regarding variety attribution. Unfortunately, it's hard to unring that bell, and even if they've fixed the problem, there's a messed up legacy out there in the form of wrong attributions on their holders.

Always verify everything on a label before buying a coin. Variety, date, grade, everything.

 

I recently posted about an issue I had were an apparent 1884 RPD Indian Cent didn't get attributed, even though I paid for VarietyPlus. At the end of the day, NGC is made up of people, and will make mistakes. It sad that the seller might have paid the price for it. "Buy the coin, not the holder" seems to apply to varieties as well.

 

Even more so. Here is one they got wrong, even to a basic grouping and you can't blame NGC for this one.


It is actually a Reverse of 97 and not even a tough call. They just saw two leaves on the right and ignored the ribbon loops.

 

The lighting is different and it makes a huge difference in the appearance. I see two dings on the lapel which make me think it's actually the same coin. But I'm not a Lincoln specialist.

 

Here are two photos of the same coin and they couldn't look much more different:

 

Shapes and thicknesses of letters and numerals do not match:

 

I agree, but the "LIBERTY" aside, I'm pretty sure I see some doubling on the 1 and the 9. Do you see what I'm talking about?

 

It appears the two dings I was looking at are part of the design and not PMD.

 

Yes, but nothing like the actual FS-101.

 

Who is going to spend $2000 on a coin w/o checking the variety first...?

 

Salvador 2.0

 

Would you say it's Die doubling, or Machine doubling, or...?

 

The photos do not look like the FS-101, But they do have the look of a Doubled die.
With out better photos they also show a lot of die deterioration. There are 25 DDO's verified by Variety vista for the year so it is possible to have actual die doubling, which one is not verifiable.