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<p>[QUOTE="Napata, post: 2548217, member: 76197"]Hi,</p><p><br /></p><p>coin misattribution seldom occurs when the auction house experts have difficulty (or have no idea) what reference to attach. This happens often with little known coins.</p><p>However, some persistent misattribution can also suggest an intention to get overvalued deals.</p><p><br /></p><p>To provide one example, there is this Sidonian 1/16 AR shekel coin that Numismatik Lanz persists to refer as a Samarian coin. Jewish coins (Yehud, Samaria, Philistia, etc.) represent a niche among collectors and certain are willing to throw fortune to get these coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are four listings (two nearly obliterated by the 3-months eBay expiracy):</p><p>Format: (YYYY.MM.DD)</p><p><br /></p><p>(2016.05.14) Listing Obliterated, but picture was saved.</p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/3EJRXJi.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>(<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB175-/231974115524" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB175-/231974115524" rel="nofollow">2016.06.19</a>)</p><p>Only listing remains; coin picture obliterated.</p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/O19gmSD.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>(<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-ART1649-/232100363000?hash=item360a427af8%3Ag%3ALKcAAOSwzaJX74-v&nma=true&si=XNMwx12qeoWJ2hD7DwoWuT2gG38%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-ART1649-/232100363000?hash=item360a427af8%3Ag%3ALKcAAOSwzaJX74-v&nma=true&si=XNMwx12qeoWJ2hD7DwoWuT2gG38%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">2016.10.11</a>)</p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/8nRDMYO.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>(<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB2020-/232120114247?hash=item360b6fdc47:g:2ssAAOSw44BYCQKm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB2020-/232120114247?hash=item360b6fdc47:g:2ssAAOSw44BYCQKm" rel="nofollow">2016.10.30</a>)</p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/DQ5rFsD.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Obverse</b>: Phoenician pentekonter with pataikos; Beth letter standing for Baalshillem</p><p><b>Reverse</b>: Mythological heroic battle between Great King (or hero) holding a dagger and a standing lion. Assyrian iconography had similar art. Ayin letter for Abdashtart I (son of Baalshillem).</p><p><br /></p><p>Each time I see one of these 1/16 shekels, not a single time I see the lower value attribution being the Sidonian coin (not the Samarian imitation). They choose to attach a reference to Meshorer & Qedar's Samarian Coinage (SC).</p><p><br /></p><p>When it is a Samarian imitation, there is a feature that distinguishes it from the Sidonian issue (coregency of Baalshillem & Abdashtart).</p><p><br /></p><p>Either there is an Aramaic legend or a symbol instead of the Phoenician letters Beth and Ayin. See below some cases from Meshorer & Qedar's SC. </p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/M8Bcxhz.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>A close case is #22, but obverse has an Aramaic legend ending with a floral pattern (reading direction: right to left). One actual case seen on the coin market sold by <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1214507" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1214507" rel="nofollow">Heritage Auctions</a> is showcased below:</p><p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/77kXCuv.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The floral pattern could be assimilated with the lily emblem as seen on one type of YHD (yehud) coin. Samaria belonged to the same area. </p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.menorahcoinproject.org/yhd-14.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.menorahcoinproject.org/yhd-14.htm" rel="nofollow">Menorah Coin Project</a> lists many specimens:</p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/t2bp6Jf.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/RVGF50f.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The Aramaic legend stands for "DL", which could stand for Delayah as seen in the Bible. Speculation though.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any case, the closest to what Lanz refers as Samarian coin is the following one. The key the difference, according to Meshorer & Qedar, is that the letter Beth is written in retrograde fashion (SC #199).</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are two cases circulating in the market: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2067651" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2067651" rel="nofollow">Roma Numismatics</a> and <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1276101" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1276101" rel="nofollow">Numismatica Ars Classica</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">Roma Numismatics</p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/EG4ktHL.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p> <p style="text-align: center">Numismatica Ars Classica</p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/WG6afNi.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, Josette Elayi (in "Le monnayage de la cité phénicienne de Sidon à l’époque perse", pp. 466-470) rejects their hypothesis as it could simply be a case of die engraver blunder where he got confused when designing the negative image of the obverse die. </p><p>Some auction houses correctly attributed SC #199 regardless of recent rejection by Josette Elayi (expert in Phoenician culture).</p><p>However, it seems Numismatic Lanz decided that as long there is the beth letter legend, regardless of its direction, it is worth to tag it as most valued "Samarian" coin. Every single case...even if the beth letter cannot be seen as the obverse is badly centered.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyways, if anyone has its personal story to share about overevaluation and misattribution, feel free to share.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Napata, post: 2548217, member: 76197"]Hi, coin misattribution seldom occurs when the auction house experts have difficulty (or have no idea) what reference to attach. This happens often with little known coins. However, some persistent misattribution can also suggest an intention to get overvalued deals. To provide one example, there is this Sidonian 1/16 AR shekel coin that Numismatik Lanz persists to refer as a Samarian coin. Jewish coins (Yehud, Samaria, Philistia, etc.) represent a niche among collectors and certain are willing to throw fortune to get these coins. Here are four listings (two nearly obliterated by the 3-months eBay expiracy): Format: (YYYY.MM.DD) (2016.05.14) Listing Obliterated, but picture was saved. [img]http://i.imgur.com/3EJRXJi.png[/img] ([URL='http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB175-/231974115524']2016.06.19[/URL]) Only listing remains; coin picture obliterated. [img]http://i.imgur.com/O19gmSD.png[/img] ([URL='http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-ART1649-/232100363000?hash=item360a427af8%3Ag%3ALKcAAOSwzaJX74-v&nma=true&si=XNMwx12qeoWJ2hD7DwoWuT2gG38%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557']2016.10.11[/URL]) [img]http://i.imgur.com/8nRDMYO.png[/img] ([URL='http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZ-SAMARIA-OBOL-PERSIAN-KING-LION-GALLEY-WAVES-SILVER-GREEK-GOB2020-/232120114247?hash=item360b6fdc47:g:2ssAAOSw44BYCQKm']2016.10.30[/URL]) [img]http://i.imgur.com/DQ5rFsD.png[/img] [B]Obverse[/B]: Phoenician pentekonter with pataikos; Beth letter standing for Baalshillem [B]Reverse[/B]: Mythological heroic battle between Great King (or hero) holding a dagger and a standing lion. Assyrian iconography had similar art. Ayin letter for Abdashtart I (son of Baalshillem). Each time I see one of these 1/16 shekels, not a single time I see the lower value attribution being the Sidonian coin (not the Samarian imitation). They choose to attach a reference to Meshorer & Qedar's Samarian Coinage (SC). When it is a Samarian imitation, there is a feature that distinguishes it from the Sidonian issue (coregency of Baalshillem & Abdashtart). Either there is an Aramaic legend or a symbol instead of the Phoenician letters Beth and Ayin. See below some cases from Meshorer & Qedar's SC. [CENTER][img]http://i.imgur.com/M8Bcxhz.png[/img][/CENTER] A close case is #22, but obverse has an Aramaic legend ending with a floral pattern (reading direction: right to left). One actual case seen on the coin market sold by [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1214507']Heritage Auctions[/URL] is showcased below: [CENTER] [img]http://i.imgur.com/77kXCuv.png[/img] [/CENTER] The floral pattern could be assimilated with the lily emblem as seen on one type of YHD (yehud) coin. Samaria belonged to the same area. [CENTER][URL='http://www.menorahcoinproject.org/yhd-14.htm']Menorah Coin Project[/URL] lists many specimens: [img]http://i.imgur.com/t2bp6Jf.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/RVGF50f.jpg[/img][/CENTER] The Aramaic legend stands for "DL", which could stand for Delayah as seen in the Bible. Speculation though. In any case, the closest to what Lanz refers as Samarian coin is the following one. The key the difference, according to Meshorer & Qedar, is that the letter Beth is written in retrograde fashion (SC #199). Here are two cases circulating in the market: [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2067651']Roma Numismatics[/URL] and [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1276101']Numismatica Ars Classica[/URL]. [CENTER]Roma Numismatics [img]http://i.imgur.com/EG4ktHL.png[/img] Numismatica Ars Classica [img]http://i.imgur.com/WG6afNi.png[/img][/CENTER] However, Josette Elayi (in "Le monnayage de la cité phénicienne de Sidon à l’époque perse", pp. 466-470) rejects their hypothesis as it could simply be a case of die engraver blunder where he got confused when designing the negative image of the obverse die. Some auction houses correctly attributed SC #199 regardless of recent rejection by Josette Elayi (expert in Phoenician culture). However, it seems Numismatic Lanz decided that as long there is the beth letter legend, regardless of its direction, it is worth to tag it as most valued "Samarian" coin. Every single case...even if the beth letter cannot be seen as the obverse is badly centered. Anyways, if anyone has its personal story to share about overevaluation and misattribution, feel free to share.[/QUOTE]
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