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<p>[QUOTE="Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, post: 7852734, member: 99554"]I read many times here accounts about your experiences with misattributed coins. I admit that it's a very thrilling feeling to discover in an auction listing a wrong description that can transform an ordinary coin in a very special one. We always ask ourselves: "Am I the only one who noticed the mistake ? Will I be able to get the coin cheaper than it's real value ? I thought it would be fun regrouping all our stories in one thread, wouldn't it be ? So let's begin with my latest: </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Prologue</b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>October 1978, England</b></p><p>Two amateur detectorists discovered, just to the south of the late Roman walls of the small town at Cunetio in Wiltshire, a hoard of 54,951 Roman coins. There were, among other coins, 7198 specimens minted for the emperor Victorinus. After the hoard was acquired and analysed by the British Museum, one coin was listed for the first time; it was the only known example of a SALVS type from the Cologne mint with the obverse: IMP <b>CP</b> VICTORINVS PF AVG. The new reference number would be Cunetio 2565.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352509[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>August 1980, England</b></p><p><br /></p><p>The owner of a small farm, during a work of topsoil stripping, found a hoard of approximately 2800 roman coins in a Severn Valley Ware jar at Hatton Farm, Child's Ercall. The majority of the pieces were from the Gallic Empire era. The second specimen of Cunetio 2565 was found among the other coin with the same obverse die. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352508[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>August 2021</b></p><p><br /></p><p>While browsing through an auction listing, I noticed a coin of Victorinus described as a common RIC 67 IMP <b>C</b> VICTORINUS PF AVG. But I have the bad habit of never trusting the attributions of auction houses and always double-checking them. To my surprise I discovered that the legend of the obverse was rather IMP <b>CP</b> VICTORINVS PF AVG. I didn't recall such a legend on any coins of this Emperor, and after examining carefully the portrait it seems it could be an early one, from the first issue when he looks more "chubby". So I had to research deeper to find an explanation, and as usual I used the Mairat study "The Coinage of the Gallic Empire". Here's what I discovered: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352505[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Possibly an engraver's mistake mixing the legend of issue one and two. For a better understanding, I'll show the 2 examples cited by Mairat in my collection:</p><p><br /></p><p>IMP C <b>PI</b> VICTORINVS PF AVG (1st issue)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352502[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>IMP <b>C</b> VICTORINVS PF AVG (2nd issue)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352501[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I believe my new acquisition is an obverse die-match with the two other coins discovered in England. By the way, the seller who consign the specimen I bought is also from UK...Here are the three coins side by side for a better comparison.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Cunetio hoard coin now owned by the British Museum (you can here admire the quality of the photography... oh! I almost forgot this is a little countryside museum...Please BM, hire [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER] !)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352506[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>By chance, we also have the plate coin's picture in the Mairat study !</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352507[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Now the Child's Ercall specimen:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352504[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>And my new misattributed coin: (20mm 2.56g) IMP <b>CP</b> VICTORINVS PF AVG</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1352503[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So that was my story, now it's time to tell me yours. <b>Please show us your misattributed coins !</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, post: 7852734, member: 99554"]I read many times here accounts about your experiences with misattributed coins. I admit that it's a very thrilling feeling to discover in an auction listing a wrong description that can transform an ordinary coin in a very special one. We always ask ourselves: "Am I the only one who noticed the mistake ? Will I be able to get the coin cheaper than it's real value ? I thought it would be fun regrouping all our stories in one thread, wouldn't it be ? So let's begin with my latest: [B]Prologue[/B] [B]October 1978, England[/B] Two amateur detectorists discovered, just to the south of the late Roman walls of the small town at Cunetio in Wiltshire, a hoard of 54,951 Roman coins. There were, among other coins, 7198 specimens minted for the emperor Victorinus. After the hoard was acquired and analysed by the British Museum, one coin was listed for the first time; it was the only known example of a SALVS type from the Cologne mint with the obverse: IMP [B]CP[/B] VICTORINVS PF AVG. The new reference number would be Cunetio 2565. [ATTACH=full]1352509[/ATTACH] [B]August 1980, England[/B] The owner of a small farm, during a work of topsoil stripping, found a hoard of approximately 2800 roman coins in a Severn Valley Ware jar at Hatton Farm, Child's Ercall. The majority of the pieces were from the Gallic Empire era. The second specimen of Cunetio 2565 was found among the other coin with the same obverse die. [ATTACH=full]1352508[/ATTACH] [B]August 2021[/B] While browsing through an auction listing, I noticed a coin of Victorinus described as a common RIC 67 IMP [B]C[/B] VICTORINUS PF AVG. But I have the bad habit of never trusting the attributions of auction houses and always double-checking them. To my surprise I discovered that the legend of the obverse was rather IMP [B]CP[/B] VICTORINVS PF AVG. I didn't recall such a legend on any coins of this Emperor, and after examining carefully the portrait it seems it could be an early one, from the first issue when he looks more "chubby". So I had to research deeper to find an explanation, and as usual I used the Mairat study "The Coinage of the Gallic Empire". Here's what I discovered: [ATTACH=full]1352505[/ATTACH] Possibly an engraver's mistake mixing the legend of issue one and two. For a better understanding, I'll show the 2 examples cited by Mairat in my collection: IMP C [B]PI[/B] VICTORINVS PF AVG (1st issue) [ATTACH=full]1352502[/ATTACH] IMP [B]C[/B] VICTORINVS PF AVG (2nd issue) [ATTACH=full]1352501[/ATTACH] I believe my new acquisition is an obverse die-match with the two other coins discovered in England. By the way, the seller who consign the specimen I bought is also from UK...Here are the three coins side by side for a better comparison. The Cunetio hoard coin now owned by the British Museum (you can here admire the quality of the photography... oh! I almost forgot this is a little countryside museum...Please BM, hire [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER] !) [ATTACH=full]1352506[/ATTACH] By chance, we also have the plate coin's picture in the Mairat study ! [ATTACH=full]1352507[/ATTACH] Now the Child's Ercall specimen: [ATTACH=full]1352504[/ATTACH] And my new misattributed coin: (20mm 2.56g) IMP [B]CP[/B] VICTORINVS PF AVG [ATTACH=full]1352503[/ATTACH] So that was my story, now it's time to tell me yours. [B]Please show us your misattributed coins ![/B][/QUOTE]
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