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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 835455, member: 112"]Well, I really don't know what to say clad. You and I have known each other for what, 10 years now ? And over the course of that time we have had many enjoyable conversations. But this would mark the first that I can recall where we ever disagreed on something.</p><p><br /></p><p>A couple more comments and questions and I'll let this dead horse lie quietly. </p><p><br /></p><p>First the comments - Ron Guth and Bill Gale have this to say, and I quote - "Mint Sets are assembled by pulling coins out of bins full of coins struck for general release into circulation." </p><p><br /></p><p>And - "Without the original, sealed packaging, it is impossible to tell if a coin came from a Mint Set or from circulation." </p><p><br /></p><p>These quotes come from the book on US Proof & Mint Sets written by these gentlemen.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I wish I could find the book where it talks about when the mint switched over from taking Mint Set coins from circulation runs - and the date at which this happend. But I cannot, I can't even recall which book it is. Perhaps Ben can be of help there.</p><p><br /></p><p>I can recall that the US MInt web site used to have a page where they described the minting of the Mint Set coins, but even that is no longer there, not that I can find anyway. And I can recall several articles over the years published in <i>Coin World</i> and <i>Numismatic News</i> that supported my contentions. But again I could not even attempt to cite which issues.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now a question - in your previous comments you mentioned basining. Well, basining basically has 2 definitions. One applies only to coins made prior to 1916. That definition refers to the curvature of the fields of a coin die. This was done to allow the relief of the devices to strike up in the middle of the coin, but yet allow those devices to remain below the level of the rim and thus be protected by the rim. I'm reasonably certain you are not talking about that definition.</p><p><br /></p><p>The other definition of basining refers to the use of a flat zinc plate or disk that is set upon a rotating shaft. This rotating zinc disk is then used to polish coin dies prior to their use to strike coins. This type of basining is also done after a die has been used, to remove excessive flow lines and or clash marks.</p><p><br /></p><p>This same type of basining is performed on Proof dies. But it is done with a zinc plates that have a progressively finer and finer finish on them. It is this basining of the Proof dies that imparts to them the mirror like finish of the fields. </p><p><br /></p><p>So basically, every coin die ever made is basined.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I can only conclude that you are saying that the Mint Set coin dies were specially prepared and that these dies were polished to a higher degree than the dies that were to be used for circulation coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>So am I correct ?</p><p><br /></p><p>One last thing, you mentioned that people were jumping to conclusions about the mint's comments that Mint Set coins were taken from circulation runs. </p><p><br /></p><p>Are you not also jumping to conclusions by saying that they were not ? Or do you have or know of any documentation that supports your contention ?</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm pretty sure you don't clad, or I would likely know about it too - and I don't. So I respectfully submit to you that the reason that Mint Set coins, at least those made prior to whenever the mint changed their process - whenever that was, - are nicer because they were struck with new dies. And that that is the end of the story. It's just that simple.</p><p><br /></p><p>I guess we shall have to agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 835455, member: 112"]Well, I really don't know what to say clad. You and I have known each other for what, 10 years now ? And over the course of that time we have had many enjoyable conversations. But this would mark the first that I can recall where we ever disagreed on something. A couple more comments and questions and I'll let this dead horse lie quietly. First the comments - Ron Guth and Bill Gale have this to say, and I quote - "Mint Sets are assembled by pulling coins out of bins full of coins struck for general release into circulation." And - "Without the original, sealed packaging, it is impossible to tell if a coin came from a Mint Set or from circulation." These quotes come from the book on US Proof & Mint Sets written by these gentlemen. Now I wish I could find the book where it talks about when the mint switched over from taking Mint Set coins from circulation runs - and the date at which this happend. But I cannot, I can't even recall which book it is. Perhaps Ben can be of help there. I can recall that the US MInt web site used to have a page where they described the minting of the Mint Set coins, but even that is no longer there, not that I can find anyway. And I can recall several articles over the years published in [I]Coin World[/I] and [I]Numismatic News[/I] that supported my contentions. But again I could not even attempt to cite which issues. Now a question - in your previous comments you mentioned basining. Well, basining basically has 2 definitions. One applies only to coins made prior to 1916. That definition refers to the curvature of the fields of a coin die. This was done to allow the relief of the devices to strike up in the middle of the coin, but yet allow those devices to remain below the level of the rim and thus be protected by the rim. I'm reasonably certain you are not talking about that definition. The other definition of basining refers to the use of a flat zinc plate or disk that is set upon a rotating shaft. This rotating zinc disk is then used to polish coin dies prior to their use to strike coins. This type of basining is also done after a die has been used, to remove excessive flow lines and or clash marks. This same type of basining is performed on Proof dies. But it is done with a zinc plates that have a progressively finer and finer finish on them. It is this basining of the Proof dies that imparts to them the mirror like finish of the fields. So basically, every coin die ever made is basined. So I can only conclude that you are saying that the Mint Set coin dies were specially prepared and that these dies were polished to a higher degree than the dies that were to be used for circulation coinage. So am I correct ? One last thing, you mentioned that people were jumping to conclusions about the mint's comments that Mint Set coins were taken from circulation runs. Are you not also jumping to conclusions by saying that they were not ? Or do you have or know of any documentation that supports your contention ? I'm pretty sure you don't clad, or I would likely know about it too - and I don't. So I respectfully submit to you that the reason that Mint Set coins, at least those made prior to whenever the mint changed their process - whenever that was, - are nicer because they were struck with new dies. And that that is the end of the story. It's just that simple. I guess we shall have to agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]
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