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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 835217, member: 112"]This is the - <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t96662/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t96662/">Other Thread</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, they are struck under higher pressures- today. And according to published info they have been since the late '80s. But what about the Mint Set coins issued <u>before</u> the lat '80s ? Those are the coins in question. You address it somewhat in your next post - </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>- Like above. You seemingly contradict yourself in the first sentence and the last.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>OK, let's pin it down a little more, be more specific. When you make that claim do you mean any and all Mint Set coins from any year ? Or just those from the past 20+ years.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, this is true. But according to published information this process of being struck on special presses at higher pressures can only be applied to Mint Set coins issued after the late '80s. Again, according to the published information that we do have, prior to the late '80s Mint Set coins were taken from regular production runs. You seemingly support that contention in your next comments.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is another example of where you need to be a bit more specific clad. Do the above 2 paragraphs apply to any and all Mint Set coins - or - just those issued from the late '80s onwards ? This is why this discussion can be so confusing.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are really 2 issues here, maybe even 3. And those issues are what started this discussion. They are - </p><p><br /></p><p>1 - Ben claims that he postively identify any coin as having come from a Mint Set, clear back to 1959, because he believes that the Mint Set coins have a different & identifiable finish from ordinary bussiness strikes. </p><p><br /></p><p>It is Ben's belief that there is something special about Mint Set coins, that either the planchets, the dies, or both, underwent some special preparation that sets them apart from regular business strikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>2 - The mint claims that prior to 1986 (Ben's date but it jives with the time period as I recall it) all Mint Set coins were taken from regular production runs. Your words clad were that "they are just ordinary coins" or something to that effect. Either way, it's basically the same thing - semantics.</p><p><br /></p><p>The mint further admits that post 1986 all Mint Set coins were struck on special presses and at higher pressures. But there is no mention, ever, of any special preparation to the planchets or dies. Thus Mint Set coins of this period, though they are typically found to be in higher grades than regular business strikes of the same time period, have no special characteristics or finish that sets them apart from regular business strikes. </p><p><br /></p><p>Thus it is possible, and with some dates even highly likely, that the coins grading the highest came from regular business strikes and not from Mint Sets. </p><p><br /></p><p>And the 3rd possible issue is this - is there more than 1 date, another date besides 1986, that the mint made changes in their production of Mint Set coins ? </p><p><br /></p><p>For example, I have never heard anyone claim that Mint Set coins from the late '40s and through the '50s came from anyplace else besides regular production runs. The mint claims that they all did until 1986. So, is there another cut-off point where changes were made ?</p><p><br /></p><p>My contention is this, there never was anything special done to Mint Set coins prior to 1986. They all came from the same planchets and the same dies as the regular business strikes. There is no special finsih on Mint Set coins - either before or after 1986 - until 2005 when the mint switched to the satin finish for Mint Set coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>The only scenario regarding Mint Set coins that I have any belief in would be they were probably always struck with new dies - but on the same presses, from the same batch of planchets, and with the same dies that were later used (after the Mint Set coins were struck) to strike the business strike production runs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Conclusion - </p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, as a general rule Mint Set coins issued prior to 1986 are usually found to be of a higher grade than typical business strikes. And for this reason and this reason alone they are identifiable to a certain degree.</p><p><br /></p><p>Mint Set coins issued after 1986 were struck on special presses, under higher pressure than regular business strikes. And they were given more careful handling resulting in coins of a typical higher grade and with a better strike than regular business strikes. And for this reason and this reason alone they are identifiable to a certain degree.</p><p><br /></p><p>But by no means, for any date prior to 2005, is there any way to categorically and positively identify any coin as having come from a Mint Set, unless you yourself take that coin directly from a Mint Set.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 835217, member: 112"]This is the - [URL="http://www.cointalk.com/t96662/"]Other Thread[/URL] Yes, they are struck under higher pressures- today. And according to published info they have been since the late '80s. But what about the Mint Set coins issued [U]before[/U] the lat '80s ? Those are the coins in question. You address it somewhat in your next post - - Like above. You seemingly contradict yourself in the first sentence and the last. OK, let's pin it down a little more, be more specific. When you make that claim do you mean any and all Mint Set coins from any year ? Or just those from the past 20+ years. Yes, this is true. But according to published information this process of being struck on special presses at higher pressures can only be applied to Mint Set coins issued after the late '80s. Again, according to the published information that we do have, prior to the late '80s Mint Set coins were taken from regular production runs. You seemingly support that contention in your next comments. This is another example of where you need to be a bit more specific clad. Do the above 2 paragraphs apply to any and all Mint Set coins - or - just those issued from the late '80s onwards ? This is why this discussion can be so confusing. There are really 2 issues here, maybe even 3. And those issues are what started this discussion. They are - 1 - Ben claims that he postively identify any coin as having come from a Mint Set, clear back to 1959, because he believes that the Mint Set coins have a different & identifiable finish from ordinary bussiness strikes. It is Ben's belief that there is something special about Mint Set coins, that either the planchets, the dies, or both, underwent some special preparation that sets them apart from regular business strikes. 2 - The mint claims that prior to 1986 (Ben's date but it jives with the time period as I recall it) all Mint Set coins were taken from regular production runs. Your words clad were that "they are just ordinary coins" or something to that effect. Either way, it's basically the same thing - semantics. The mint further admits that post 1986 all Mint Set coins were struck on special presses and at higher pressures. But there is no mention, ever, of any special preparation to the planchets or dies. Thus Mint Set coins of this period, though they are typically found to be in higher grades than regular business strikes of the same time period, have no special characteristics or finish that sets them apart from regular business strikes. Thus it is possible, and with some dates even highly likely, that the coins grading the highest came from regular business strikes and not from Mint Sets. And the 3rd possible issue is this - is there more than 1 date, another date besides 1986, that the mint made changes in their production of Mint Set coins ? For example, I have never heard anyone claim that Mint Set coins from the late '40s and through the '50s came from anyplace else besides regular production runs. The mint claims that they all did until 1986. So, is there another cut-off point where changes were made ? My contention is this, there never was anything special done to Mint Set coins prior to 1986. They all came from the same planchets and the same dies as the regular business strikes. There is no special finsih on Mint Set coins - either before or after 1986 - until 2005 when the mint switched to the satin finish for Mint Set coins. The only scenario regarding Mint Set coins that I have any belief in would be they were probably always struck with new dies - but on the same presses, from the same batch of planchets, and with the same dies that were later used (after the Mint Set coins were struck) to strike the business strike production runs. Conclusion - Yes, as a general rule Mint Set coins issued prior to 1986 are usually found to be of a higher grade than typical business strikes. And for this reason and this reason alone they are identifiable to a certain degree. Mint Set coins issued after 1986 were struck on special presses, under higher pressure than regular business strikes. And they were given more careful handling resulting in coins of a typical higher grade and with a better strike than regular business strikes. And for this reason and this reason alone they are identifiable to a certain degree. But by no means, for any date prior to 2005, is there any way to categorically and positively identify any coin as having come from a Mint Set, unless you yourself take that coin directly from a Mint Set.[/QUOTE]
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